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February 22nd, 2007, 03:32 AM
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Re: Problem
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Xox said:
Well I am back and I see you reassigned my position.
Of all the delays i have had in these games it seems quite unreasonable to have replaced me so quickly. Other games i have been in have been delayed WEEKS to accomidate others people's personal schedules or technical difficulties. This is the first time I have had to ask for such a delay for myself.
I see Hellboy even mentioned givng me the two days I needed and then he instead replaces me the same day.
I do want to say I really do appreciate those of you who spoke up in favor of waiting for me.
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Well, sorry about how that all went down, Xox. In all honesty, your previous experience with other games has no relevance here. What does have relevance is the game protocol that I proposed and the players' reasonable expectations, given the description of the game I proposed (and yes, this includes your expectations).
The one thing I regret is that I did not state my expectations in the case where a player loses access to the server. In this case, in my opinion, the courteous thing to do is to contact the game host with two pieces of information: ETA on resolution of the problem and the player password. Yes, if your computer is broken this will difficult, but I think not that difficult (whether by internet cafe, friend's computer or work computer, all you had to do was get web access and get on the forum for 5 minutes, and send a PM, or an email, to me).
I should have written this expectation when I proposed the game, and for that lack, I apologize. If it helps to make this more palatable, when you talk about all the delays you have experienced in other games, well, it is for exactly that reason that I impose the policies that you may view as draconian.
Please also note that the last time you played a turn was sometime before the Sat am host. The one indirect and vague communication I got from you came on Saturday evening, and it was a request for a delay, and arrived via PM from another player. It included no information whatsoever as to how long of a delay you wanted, or when you might possibly come back. I held that delay through to Monday morning, when I decided (based on still having no direct contact from you, and no ETA on resolution of the problem), that the game would be best served by reassignment of the position.
Without communication from you, and most especially no idea of when you might return, I simply don't see how the game could've been well served by an arbitrarily long delay. Yes, I could've allowed your position to stale multiple times, but then reassignment would've been more difficult, and the position might have been crippled by the time I decided to reassign.
Again, I do apologize for not having made this policy clear up front. That much is definitely my bad. I hope this doesn't leave too much of a sour taste in your mouth, and that any future encounters we have on this forum are not tainted by this experience.
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February 22nd, 2007, 04:41 AM
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February 22nd, 2007, 04:42 AM
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I have to say it does indeed leave a bad impression for me.
I did communicate my situation and request. I am pretty surprised you needed a specific communication directly from me. I have seen it done through another player like I did many times in other cases in other games.
I was unable to directly communicate in person or log into the forums anyways, so.... What a strange requirement. No word about that in any previous posts. And why was that neccesary?
You say my specific experience in other games has no relevance here, but it does! I would expect it too, unless you state differently, which you admit you did not.
I also expect in this long of a game this sort of thing will happen again. My guess, you will handle it differently and better. If not, I think you will end up with no players.
I want to back off a bit though and say I have the utmost appreciation for anyone who hosts. Thanks for hosting.
I just don't understand why in the one time I have a need for a delay on my behalf and communicated this you booted me faster than i have ever seen anyone booted from any of these games.
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February 22nd, 2007, 04:49 AM
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Re: Problem
In my experience of previous games, going away for a week+ without giving any clue when the problem will be resolved is enough reason to get you replaced.
I do not belive the host acted incorrectly in my opinion.
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February 22nd, 2007, 05:54 AM
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Re: Problem
People, please do read, I did send word.
My computer broke, and I sent word via another player to the host and the host is and was aware of this.
I did communicate, I did, I did!!!!
Also, my computer broke Friday evening, My turn was in for the saturday am host as noted. This is Wednesday, It was not a week. Lastly my ETA back was not vague. it is, was, and actually happened to be, today, Wednesday.
I have been replaced, oh well. No big deal. I just thought it was odd, too fast, and unfair.
But I do not like being miscast as a flake on this, And all the events about this misrepresented. I did communicate all the information needed, and got back in the estimated time. Sorry if I did not put a tps cover sheet on my request for a delay. I did not get that memo.
Sheesh
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February 22nd, 2007, 12:42 PM
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Re: Problem
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Xox said:
People, please do read, I did send word.
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Yes, I understand this, and I acknowledged this fact previously.
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But I do not like being miscast as a flake on this, And all the events about this misrepresented.
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Please understand that I in no way intend to cast you as a "flake". This whole circumstance is my fault in that I did not announce this policy in advance. I do expect that if your computer had not broke down, you would have been an excellent player and contributor to the game throughout the life of the game. In my mind, this is simply an unfortunate misunderstanding, most of which is my own fault.
All that said, I stand by the policy (which is now stated explicitly in the initial post). It is to your cost that I did not do so previously, and I am sorry about that.
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February 22nd, 2007, 05:54 PM
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Re: Problem
Sorry for the stale, I probably should have said something. Mind you, there's a certain dignity playing without begging for more time.
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February 22nd, 2007, 06:01 PM
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Re: Problem
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Sandman said:
Sorry for the stale, I probably should have said something. Mind you, there's a certain dignity playing without begging for more time.
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And indeed, your dignity abounds, Sandman! But just so you know, had you asked for an extension, I would've given it (given we just hosted this morning, it appears you wouldn't have needed much of one).
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