eye shield

Natpy · #1 July 11th, 2007, 05:00 AM

This is one of my favorite item. Eye lose effect dosnt "MR negates". I think i know the mechanics: the attacker lose his eye only when hit on shild (attack+DRN>defens+DRN, but attack+DRN<defens+parry+DRN). So, very big value of attack is a counter.

Sorry for my bad English

Baalz · #2 July 11th, 2007, 08:28 AM

It certainly does not seem to be the case that you lose an eye only if you hit the shield, if so then the counter would be having a really high attack value. As I mentioned, my jaguar warriors lost eyes over 50% of the time...even when they never swung their sword because of the awe effect. By the second round close to half of them were blind and most of them had lost at least one eye...despite the fact that their attack value was 2 higher than the defense value including the shield and less than half off them overcame the awe each round to even swing. They've got good MR, good attack, good defense and a lot of them didn't even swing, yet still had a *very* high rate of eye loss. Given that eye loss rate and no apparent way to counter it there certainly seems no point in sending my own SC in....the best I could hope for is that they blind each other if I bring my own eye shield. :/

Reverend Zombie · #3 July 11th, 2007, 09:14 AM

Can you Drain the Life out of him? I don't think that is resistable.

Baalz · #4 July 11th, 2007, 10:14 AM

FWIW drain life is counterable by lifelessness (a golem for instance), but really my question is, does the eye shield really un-counterable aside from avoiding melee? Again, my question is about the eye shield, not about this particular nastiness Foodstamp is fielding.

Lucky - use quickness. Etherealness - magic weapon. Fire shield - fire resistance. Cold aura - cold resistance. Totem shield - use regeneration. High protection - AN. Blood vengeance - high MR. Eye shield - ??? stay the hell away from him ???.

I'm not really complaining, I just thought that there might be a way to counter it that I was unaware of. It seems odd that there's not. (blindness/multiple eyes are available to very few nations)

Szumo · #5 July 11th, 2007, 10:24 AM

How would you deal with a Gorgon that has awe, petrification and _two_ eye shields?

llamabeast · #6 July 11th, 2007, 10:28 AM

I would panic.

Jazzepi · #7 July 11th, 2007, 10:32 AM

Eye would also panic.

Jazzepi

lch · #8 July 11th, 2007, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Baalz said:
Eye shield - ???

Picus & Procas Axes of Rulership. No more Eyeshields...

NTJedi · #9 July 11th, 2007, 11:43 AM

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Baalz said:
FWIW drain life is counterable by lifelessness (a golem for instance), but really my question is, does the eye shield really un-counterable aside from avoiding melee? Again, my question is about the eye shield, not about this particular nastiness Foodstamp is fielding.

Someone suggesting a counter for one item when facing an SC can be misleading. We would need to know the unit, complete gear of the SC, your nation, research levels, and available mages to provide you suggestive counters. Start with cursing the SC.

Baalz · #10 July 11th, 2007, 12:15 PM

Well, as I said, I'm not really looking for a counter for the SC, this particular one can be countered by undead counters, by life draining, by lighting, by making her route (there is only the capital left so she'd die), banishment to Inferno, by soul slay spamming or by a dominion kill. That's not really the line of my question, it's more what do you do in general against an eye shield and the answer seems to be avoid melee altogether.