Epic Heroes Mod MA game(finished)

[jutetrea]

So anything exciting been happening? Board's pretty quiet.

[Tuidjy]

*sigh* For some reason I am kinda bored with this game. It was supposed
to let me get accustomed to Dominions III. That it did, but now I realize
how many things I did wrong, and it's kind of a drag. I am still learning
from it (thanks Xietor) but I always take my turns in the last second, and
am less careful with the lives of my men than I usually am. And there is
no roleplaying to do so, yeah, I'm quiet :-)

[LoloMo]

The pacifistic Agarthans, having no real strategic talent, and thus having NAPPed themselves into a corner are currently sitting around twiddling their thumbs, waiting for some foolish nation to declare war on them, and thus explode the entire world into war once more =)

[Xietor]

Sua Sponte I have delayed hosting by 1 hour due to almost half the players not yet doing their turns.

Since we are getting few stales, i am assuming people are deliberately waiting until the last minute to do their turns. This laziness baffles me since force host is not on.

[Xietor]

Due to recent events on the forums, under the thread title "mists of deception" a major bug has been exposed.

As game administrator, I am going to take the same stance Velusion took in the Big Game:

1. Mists of deception is banned. Casting it will be dealt with on a case by case basis, but you most likely will be put on AI. It is a major bug and is on the short list to be fixed.

2. Battlefield enchantments are supposed to disappear when the mage casting the battlefield enchantment leaves the battle or dies. Some spells stay up after a mage retreats or dies. While we cannot do anything about mages dying, it will be considered an exploit to deliberately cast a battlefield enchantment and have the casting mage deliberately retreat(ie cast ritual of returning or script to retreat).

I know we are all honorable players and do not want to win by using what has been labeled as an exploit by the developers. Apparently it will be corrected in the next patch. Understandably, most of us have used and have had these tactics used against us. But we are all going to have to adjust our tactics.

[Tuidjy]

I do not see why Mists of Deception should be banned. Where is the harm if
the enemy does not retreat, but stays and fights instead?

As for casting buffs or battlefield enchantments and retreating, this is a
tactic that has been extremely popular and is being used by everyone. I do
not think that I have used it in this game, but I routinely retreat my
buffing mages in my other game.

Furthermore I do not believe in setting rules after the game has started.
The only way I would agree to any house rules at this point is by unanimous vote.

I see four issues here.

Mists of Deception that is meant to make the fight last after one army has
fully retreated. This is an exploit, and I could live with it being banned
without a vote.

Casting battlefield enchantments and retreating the caster. I think it is a
valid strategy, and it was used against me in this game, but I will vote for
banning it, because I can live with the rule. If anyone votes against, though,
I say it's allowed, and I will use it.

Casting Mists of Deception, and fighting on. Perfectly valid in my book,
I vote against banning it.

Casting buffs, summoning nasties, or throwing damage spells and retreating.
I will use this if I stay in the game, and if you guys disagree, I will be
looking for a replacement.

[Xietor]

The developers say what is an exploit and what is not.

Mists of deception can be used if you stay on the battlefield and fight. It is an exploit to have a mage cast it, and say wraithful skies, then retreat. That means the army is fighting no enemy but is destroyed by battlefield enchantments and cannot end it by killing anyone. This is clearly an exploit.

Buffing and retreating is not a problem. It is battlefield enchantments like wrathful skies and then retreating. For a better explanation, read the thread on the main board entitled Mists of deception.

To be honest, I was unaware that this conduct was an exploit myself. But now that it is labeled as such, it should not be used. No vote is needed to stop exploits. Most people should be aware that exploits are not acceptable.