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Old March 2nd, 2008, 10:40 AM

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Oh thanks for the tip - as always I did search the default OOB for any icons (like the AMOS), but missed that one!

The AI "picklist" is not finished yet for this mod, so the AI will buy quite funny stuff at times

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Old March 2nd, 2008, 04:15 PM

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Not sure if it's something with my Russian OOB or not but most of the units in the scenarios with the Russians/Soviets are not displayed correctly. For example mech squads show up as tanks, etc. I looked in Mobhack and the correct icons are assigned to infantry. Is anyone else having this issue?

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Old March 2nd, 2008, 05:05 PM

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cbreedon using the modified Finnish oob should not affect in any way your russian oob.
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Old March 2nd, 2008, 06:07 PM

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These are just wery little things, but I thought Id mention them anyway... Dont take any stress from this!

The T-26E vickers should have a Suomi BMG, that is the English vickers that got it's crew increased to 4 and the 37mm bofors replaced whit the soviet 45mm gun (well the gun change actualy happened after winterwar). The no. 4 crew man was added already when those vickers tanks came to Finland in 1938-1939.

They were originaly meant to have a custom engine (and shipped to Bulgaria IIRC), that changed the turret to be offset to the right to give room for bigger side mounted engine. But since they were refitted whit the standard size engine and sold to Finland instead, Finns used the extra space on the left hull on these modified Vickers tank hulls to add that fourth guy and a Suomi BMG as hes arnament on a fixed mount of domestic design.

T-26 m 1939 should have a DT bmg not suomi BMG, that is the OT-133 modified to be gun tank and fourth crew member added whit a fixed DT BMG mount. Same thing basicaly as whit the Vickers tank, but for a different reason. The OT-133 (and OT-130) had it's turret offset to the right to give room for flame fuel tanks on the left hull. Finns removed those and put a fourth crew man there. Also the flamer was removed and replaced whit a DT cmg and 45mm gun in the turret converting these flame tanks into gun tanks. Whit better availability of captured stuff now they added the DT bmg instead of the Suomi SMG as hull arnament.

These modified T-26 and vickers tanks are unique for the Finns (well ofcourse not all captured T-26 tanks were modified this way in finnish use just the OT-flamethrower ones). Normal Soviet T-26 had 3 man crew and no bmg. There are pictures of finnish modified 4 man OT-130 and OT-133 below:

OT-130 FINN MOD:
http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/g...6/2/T_26_1.jpg

OT-133 FINN MOD:
http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/g...3/T_26con1.jpg

And here is a normal Soviet T-26 for referance so you see the horn and also the headlight on the front hull, but no BMG mount. This particular one also has additional lights on the turret for night fighting use.
http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/g...26M35RT_3b.jpg

Btw. Only difference between the OT-130 and OT-133 was that the 133 had a sloped turret.


Wow quite a long text for simple thing really, hope you can make sence of it.

SPWW2 fin oob has these pretty much correct so you can look there for better referance if you like.
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cbreedon using the modified Finnish oob should not affect in any way your russian oob.
Are the scenarios using a custom Russian OOB then?
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Evidently it was me. I replaced my Russian OOB with the one in the default folder and presto. It worked. Funny I don't remember ever playing around with the Russian one...

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Thanks for all the work on the Finnish OOB. It looks great!
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Not sure if it's something with my Russian OOB or not but most of the units in the scenarios with the Russians/Soviets are not displayed correctly. For example mech squads show up as tanks, etc. I looked in Mobhack and the correct icons are assigned to infantry. Is anyone else having this issue?

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I really like the Finnish OOB. Thanks

Let me guess, you installed the Russian third party Modified OOB that we specifically warned people would totally bugger up their scenarios.

Does that sound like the problem?

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Zipuli

I just played your Leopards on the Prowl scenario. It was fun. I ended with a marginal victory.. very close to decisive.. I got too cocky at the end with my Leo's and loss one and had two immobilised.. Fun none the less. Kiitos
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Old March 3rd, 2008, 02:42 AM

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LonelyRider,

I will check that info and edit if needed - I have no reason to not believe that info you gave is incorrect (especially the number of crew, that one I noticed as well now that you noticed it!), but just to make sure

Zip

PS. I may try to "defaultize" my OOB (if time/interest permits) so that when loading a scenario with old OOB used, it would work normally - which is NOT the case at the moment.
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Yeah it was something of a mystery to me before too

About the sources:
Firstly the book - Suomalaiset Panssarivaunut 1918-1997 (toinen laitos 2003)

Secondly I eyeballed the Vickers 6-ton and the gun tank converted OT-133 at the parola armored museum last summer. And surely enough both had the fourth crew man whit a bow mg mount (suomi for vickers and DT for OT-133).
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