Auto-routing alternatives

Argitoth · #1 April 25th, 2008, 04:54 AM

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Dedas said:I like that a vast amount of chaff can take out a power gamed SC. That way the power gamer will get even more excitement when he actually do win in such a battle, perhaps using a combination of regular units and a SC. Much more fun.

Please watch the video I posted. I lost MY SC because of MY chaff in my army against a lone SC. You say it's much more fun to use a combination of regular units and an SC. Yes, watch the video I posted. I used an army and two SCs against a lone SC. Yet the lone SC won because of auto-kill.

video: http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/batt...tle_flash.html

Dedas, basically because of auto-kill, using SC alone or in an army can be equally dangerous as I prove in the above video. If there was never an auto-kill feature in Dominions, I don't think anyone would be requesting it. That would be silly, wouldn't it? "My enemy's supercombatant is killing all my chaff! I think that's a bug! We need an auto-kill feature so I can press a button and make it die!"

However, the situation is opposite. We are requesting to remove a feature that never should have been part of Dominions.

Endoperez · #2 April 25th, 2008, 07:05 AM

I'm not sure if I read the battle correctly, but to me it seems like:

1) your undead chaff attacks the Tartarian, and is killed, perhaps after your mages rout.
2) Your Catoblepas attack the Tartarian, and are killed.
3) Your golem, which has been casting Drain Life up until now, and the enemy Tartarian finally meet each other. Your golem has attack 13, the Tartarian has defence 20.
4) They face off, your Golem has much more hp. I'm not sure if you had the battle paused while you showed the hp total of the Tartarian multiple times, but it seems your golem managed to keep the Tartarian's regen almost under check, until
5) Your Golem died. The Tartarian went on to kill the remaining longdead.

Is this somewhat correct? The important phase is the longdead and tartarian left after your golem died. If there was still one of your longdead (mindless) on the battlefield, and the auto-rout started, shouldn't it be dead as well? If it was the auto-kill, everyone (including the Tartarian) would have died.

I don't remember how mindlessness and routing works, but to me at least it seems like something else might have happened there. Have you generated a log and checked what it says?

thejeff · #3 April 25th, 2008, 08:43 AM

I think the issue here is that golems, being mindless, die when their side auto-routs.

So it wasn't the final auto-kill feature, but the behavior of golems during the auto-rout.

Apparently mindless commanders behave like mindless units and spontaneously die instead of routing.

Conceptually, the problem may just be that mindless commanders don't really make any sense.

Sombre · #4 April 25th, 2008, 08:46 AM

Why did the longdead remain if his side had autorouted?

Argitoth · #5 April 25th, 2008, 08:48 AM

Sombre, that's a good question that Endo brought up. However, I doubt the tartarian could have done 123 damage in one swing.

So that's why I think the golem just died. Plus there was no damage numbers floating above his head when he died.

Endo: I don't know where you got the idea my golem had attack of 13. He had 20 attack (15 + sunslayer bonus = 20) Sunslayer also does AOE damage. I'm just trying to defend the fact that my golem would have kicked the Tartarian's A**. Also, near the end I show you how many afflictions I caused, plus old age. That was in part because the tartarian wasn't poison resistant. Why is the tartarian not poison resistant?

Endoperez · #6 April 25th, 2008, 09:22 AM

I'm sorry I got your Golem's attack wrong. I didn't notice the +5 attack of Sunslayer at first, and didn't remember to change that part after I did.

If you launch Dominions with -ddd or similar (from command line, from shortcut, etc), just view the battle and read the log.txt (in the same folder as dom3 executable).

Argitoth · #7 April 25th, 2008, 09:48 AM

alright Endo, I'll have the log for you soon. For now I have to go to bed, I've been up for more than 24 hours working on homework. *dies*

Argitoth · #8 April 25th, 2008, 08:46 AM

Sorry Endo, I wish you asked me to generate a log earlier. The turn ended late today. I guess now we can only speculate. HOWEVER! I was counting battle turns and according to my count, my golem *might* have died exactly on turn 50...

OH WAIT! I SAVED A BACKUP!... holy he** I NEVER CREATE BACKUPS!

I'm not sure how to generate a log, but let me post the game files: http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/funhouseserver.zip (C'tis password: dragon / Host password: dragon)

Let me know if I'm missing files.