I was looking at Patala, and it seems to have a

[Sombre]

munkey pd is teh weekest it is always loosing just look in ne game u will c 4 urslef

[Drake49]

munkey pd is teh weekest it is always loosing just look in ne game u will c 4 urslef

The point when I realized New Ulm, made by Sombre, was absurd is when I tried to count the freespawn I would have coming at me after New Ulm went AI in a game I was playing. It was around 4,000. No, not 400, 4,000. This from a nation that had been brought to AI by a poor player and massive military losses. Still had 4,000 freespawn. Before the big war, probably around 6,000+. Everyone one of them non-mindless, BLESSABLE, non-undead flail wielding units. But that wasn't what drove it in.

It was when I watched a Hoch-Hammer without any equipment at all kill a fully-equiped Tartarian. The Tartarian had Luck, Invincibility, and 34 Hp of reg. a turn. Now I understand that old Sombre didn't ACTUALLY WANT the Hoch-Hammer to be able to kill a fully equiped Tartarian without any equipment at all, he just forgot how missile units keep firing after they run out of ammo. A mistake, but a fairly big on. But when your maxing a race as hard as possible, it becomes difficult to avoid little slips like that.

So old Sombre has a little trouble with that 'balance' concept there.

[Digress]

Drake49 said:

The point when I realized New Ulm, made by Sombre, was absurd is when I tried to count the freespawn I would have coming at me after New Ulm went AI in a game I was playing. It was around 4,000. No, not 400, 4,000. This from a nation that had been brought to AI by a poor player and massive military losses. Still had 4,000 freespawn. Before the big war, probably around 6,000+. Everyone one of them non-mindless, BLESSABLE, non-undead flail wielding units.

Its not like you to hold back like this

"poor player" ? Come on - I was truly abysmal as I cast around looking for a strategy before finally deciding to go without one and attack one of my more powerful neighbours without engaging in any diplomacy with any of my other neighbours.

Poor does it no justice at all

edited to remove errant smiley

[Drake49]

Digress, I apologize if I upset you, that wasn't my intention. The only reason I said that was to avoid the "New Ulm lost, so that means it wasn't imbalanced!" argument. People have all levels of skill, and Pangaea is a rock-solid player, and as a result you were poorly matched. He is dealing with my deranged play very effectively as well. I was certainly not trying to insult you. Pangaea may very well win the game. So you were defeated by #1 out of 21 players or #2. Not something to be upset about. But I WAS upset at Sombre, he knows better, and should keep out of arguments if he has nothing useful to say.

[Endoperez]

Sombre is making fun of an old discussion where some people argued that the monkey nations were useless, basing their whole argument into few details and refusing to discuss opposing arguments. I didn't really follow that discussion. Try searching for "monkey pd" if you're interested; the discussion took place sometime last summer or fall.

[lch]

Endoperez said:
Sombre is making fun of an old discussion where some people argued that the monkey nations were useless, basing their whole argument into few details and refusing to discuss opposing arguments.

I was jokingly referring to the same, as was calmon. Seriously, we need something like argumentum ad Hitlerum / Godwin's Law for (monkey) PD on these boards.

[kasnavada]

Monkey's law : as a dominions 3 discussion about game balance grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Monkey's PD as being the weakest approaches one".

That sounds good.

PS : I therefore predict that in accordance to the Monkey's law, the discussion that will spawn from the change to tartarian during next update will include a comparison of the new power of Tartarian and monkey PD, and will say something like this : "Tartarian cannot beat anything stronger than monkey's PD !".

[Kristoffer O]

>But I WAS upset at Sombre, he knows better, and should keep out of arguments if he has nothing useful to say.

??? Was this what made you upset?

"munkey pd is teh weekest it is always loosing just look in ne game u will c 4 urslef"

I would say that it was somewhat useful. Perhaps not entirely seriously formulated, but a summary of a general opinion, and an answer to Calmon and Ich. It shouldn't upset anyone

[Sombre]

Drake49 said:
The point when I realized New Ulm, made by Sombre, was absurd is when I tried to count the freespawn I would have coming at me after New Ulm went AI in a game I was playing. It was around 4,000. No, not 400, 4,000. This from a nation that had been brought to AI by a poor player and massive military losses. Still had 4,000 freespawn. Before the big war, probably around 6,000+. Everyone one of them non-mindless, BLESSABLE, non-undead flail wielding units. But that wasn't what drove it in.

It was when I watched a Hoch-Hammer without any equipment at all kill a fully-equiped Tartarian. The Tartarian had Luck, Invincibility, and 34 Hp of reg. a turn. Now I understand that old Sombre didn't ACTUALLY WANT the Hoch-Hammer to be able to kill a fully equiped Tartarian without any equipment at all, he just forgot how missile units keep firing after they run out of ammo. A mistake, but a fairly big on. But when your maxing a race as hard as possible, it becomes difficult to avoid little slips like that.

So old Sombre has a little trouble with that 'balance' concept there.

What the hell does that have to do with this thread, or with anything?

If you want to ***** about the balance of Ulm Reborn do so in an Ulm Reborn thread where other people who've used Ulm Reborn can discuss it. And I say *****ing because that's what it sounds like; rather than offering useful constructive criticism you're just trying to take a shot at me for whatever reason. If you want something changed, not exactly the right way to go about it.

I didn't forget that units that are out of ammo keep firing. I had no idea that happened. I've never seen it happen in a game or read anything on the forums about it.

Would anyone else who has played one of my mod nations and read its thread accuse me of purposely 'maxing' them? Ridiculous.

[Humakty]

Well, it is for sure not maxing, their everywhere mages are far too crappy for that, in late age many(most?) nations have decent battle mages recruitable everywhere, or summonable in the case of 'dark' ulm. But their army is powerfull early on, which can make some people think they are overpowered. Sure a strong army wont bring you to victory if you don't crush everyone early on.
In fact I only played a game with them, because I play 380+ provinces maps, and I hate to have to gamble for indep mages.
I realise I know almost only play nations with decent everywhere mages.