Stacking bracelets for a eath bless

thejeff · #1 July 23rd, 2008, 12:15 PM

Again, no one is suggesting taking out "hard to counter" things. In fact, this time it was suggested that it was minor because it wasn't hard to counter.

This particular issue seems to have nothing to do with strategy vs tactics or any other broad issues, except maybe the "anything the game engine allows is good" vs "play as intended, avoid exploiting the broken bits" arguments.

Earth bless stacking on non-armor/helmet protection items seems like, at the very least, an unintended consequence of the changes in the Earth bless and armor mechanics for Dom3. Opposition to using it seems to come from that viewpoint not from any real balance issues

krpeters · #2 July 23rd, 2008, 01:11 PM

Has it been confirmed that this is not just a screen display issue? You should test it and see if your "Prot37" unit really is unhittable. I've always been suspicious that the reported protection is a display bug, and the actual protection is internally correct.

Sombre · #3 July 23rd, 2008, 01:20 PM

Even 40 protection doesn't make you immune to damage. I tested a 40 prot unit against indies and he regularly took 3-4 points of damage from broadsword hits. He had 0 fatigue, 0 enc. 40 head, 40 body.

So testing it in game would be a bit unreliable.

Sombre · #4 July 23rd, 2008, 01:22 PM

Oh and Gandalf - are you posting in the wrong thread or something? Your reply seems to bear no relation to what's being discussed.

Tifone · #5 July 23rd, 2008, 02:01 PM

Uh uh it would be hilarious if that is true Sombre, because I so agree with him on this topic and in general

really!! ^_^

Aezeal · #6 July 23rd, 2008, 06:05 PM

I would like to know what the max prot is you could get from this with all the items mentioned

(and which part of it is "illegal" or buggy protection)

Zeldor · #7 July 23rd, 2008, 06:07 PM

Max protection is 40 and I had no problems getting Niefel SCs at that value.

thejeff · #8 July 23rd, 2008, 06:13 PM

At the least the +4 from Earth Bless stacking from multiple bracers is a bug. I'd consider getting +4 from the bracers on top of the standard +4 from wearing armor to be a bug, but that may be a minority view.

The real strength of this probably doesn't come in with massive protection on late game SCs but cheap low-fatigue high protection on early game recruitable thugs. Y

AreaOfEffect · #9 July 24th, 2008, 12:18 AM

As long as the game allows this I think it is a legitimate strategy. That said, I'd really like to see the issue patched.

JimMorrison · #10 July 24th, 2008, 02:39 AM

I wonder if it would really be that hard to make it not be armor dependent?

I mean, worst that happens, is the +4 Prot gets added to the Base Prot, so that it affects both Body and Head (I may be crazy, but I'm assuming that's why it's added to armor, so that helmets get it as well...).

I know the math with Base Prot + Armor Prot is a little wonky, so it may not make everyone happy to change it that way..... But it may be better than being able to get +16 Prot on a unit with 3 misc slots.