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View Poll Results: What do you consider acceptable?
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All's cool in love, war, and wargames.
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You Shouldn't stack multiple braclets, but it's ok to stack a single braclet with a full armor set.
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You shouldn't stack braclets with armor, but it's ok to use a bracelet on a unit with no other armor
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You shouldn't use braclets at all with an earth bless.
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July 22nd, 2008, 10:50 PM
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Stacking bracelets for a eath bless
Ok, so I'm doing some test games for strategies to be used in a MP game I've just joined. I noticed LA Gath's Kohen Gadols have three misc slots and I get to wondering how best to leverage that. I heard that an earth bless stacks on bracelets of protection in addition to normal armor so I figure lets try that and see how it goes. Boy does it!
Basic protection: 2
+2 for earth magic
15 protection for fire plate
3 bracelets of protection +2 (their normal bonus does not stack)
For an unbuffed protection of 23.
Lay down the earth blessing....protection 37!
Legions of steel put me to 40....not much point in even casting invulnerability...
So then I decide I can't in good consciousness use this. But the other reason I had been thinking about it is the quite awesome Hashmal has no armor slot and I thought it would be very nice to leverage an earth bless for them to get some armor through the bracelet.
So I was wondering, what is peoples impression of what constitutes a gratuitous exploit that should be avoided in friendly games?
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July 23rd, 2008, 12:35 AM
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Re: Stacking bracelets for a eath bless
Seems to me that if you stack all 3 bracers then you lose the benefit of magic amulets, amulets of luck, etc. And really, even at a protection of 27 normal troops have to get really lucky to hurt you. So, the thing you are really worried about is thugs and magic killing spells. Thugs can use armor negating weapons and mages can still use paralyze, etc. so, I say go for it. If you want the obnoxiously high you still have to pay the price of other item slots.
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July 23rd, 2008, 01:39 AM
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Brace yourself
I don't much mind if people use it, but I do hope it get fixed.
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July 23rd, 2008, 02:16 AM
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Re: Brace yourself
I wouldn't be bothered by someone else doing it but wouldn't stack bracelets myself - feels weak.
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July 23rd, 2008, 02:24 AM
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Re: Brace yourself
Is true - but this also works with
Krupps, with cats, with skull (as I recall) and other items.
This was perhaps the weakest exploitation.
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July 23rd, 2008, 03:23 AM
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Re: Brace yourself
Mmh, to the n00b (me) it seems that this is the normal trade-off between specialization (being very strong in one thing) and versatility (being decent in all or at least many).
Stacking 2 bracelets gives surely some protection but you're giving up more MR, some immunity, more reinvig... oh damn, I don't even have to say all the wonderful things we do with misc slots, it always seems we can't have enough ^^
So to me, it's ok, one of the equipment choices of the game. You can stack 2 items of the same kind, you will have more (a lot with a synergy like Baalz talked about) attack/defence/protection - but you lack now some other kinds of protection or abilities that the enemy can easily use against you.
Just my opinion ^_^
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July 23rd, 2008, 04:27 AM
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Re: Brace yourself
I think that any magic item which stacks with another of the same type is wrong to use.
Please note that I am not against using several items which give the same effect just multiples of the exact same item.
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July 23rd, 2008, 04:43 AM
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Re: Brace yourself
Well i use the bracelets only with the E9 bless, without it the effect is too small. The other slot goes for luck and a possible third slot would be MR bonus or something equal.
I don't think 3 bracelets make sence, the bonuses don't stack perfectly. With 1 you already have a good enough protection against most of troops and against threats like AP, AN or mage spells its quite useless to have even 1.
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July 23rd, 2008, 05:00 AM
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Re: Brace yourself
I think using 1 with earth bless is absolutely fine and I wouldn't feel that annoyed if someone used 3, because it isn't horribly unfair or hard to counter.
It is something that should be fixed though, imo.
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July 23rd, 2008, 07:09 AM
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Re: Stacking bracelets for a eath bless
This is, in my opinion, a fairly minor problem, because there are far more important uses for misc slots than stacking armor. It is a bug, which I should add to the shortlist. Fortunately its effects are minor compared to the since fixed bug which allowed stacking magic boosters and other items.
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