Conceptual Balance Mod 1.41

[Trumanator]

Well their legs are two or three times longer than humans.

[iceboy]

Is the release very soon? Love this mod!

[Redeyes]

Originally Posted by Trumanator

Well their legs are two or three times longer than humans.

I think that's better reflected in tactical movement.
There their advantage is just 7%~, to the 50/100% advantage against human strategical movement.



And another note:
Have you considered modding some of the magical sites?
I don't know if it is possible, but I would at least like to see at least the Ultimate Gateway and Summoning Circle changed.

[Zeldor]

If it's possible I want to remove all uber magic sites like Ultimate Gateway. Everything over 20% for schools and I guess all sites with construction bonus. Changes like that are a bit harsh, so it may be a good idea to use it in single mod before putting it into CBM [but I doubt that people would really protest here, that sites are really game changing].

[Wrana]

Originally Posted by Zeldor

[but I doubt that people would really protest here, that sites are really game changing].

I would like to take an opportunity to protest. If you want chess, you can make an absolutely symmetrical map in any case. Special sites are large part of the fun - even if opponent discovers them!

[Redeyes]

Interest objecting in a discussion thread for a balance mod

I would be happy if the few sites which provide benefit greater than any other are brought in line, or unbalances things too much in favor of the controller.

I think the Sacrificial Circle and Ultimate Gateway are counted among those, though there can of course be differing thoughts on what constitutes "balanced"

[Burnsaber]

Originally Posted by Wrana

If you want chess, you can make an absolutely symmetrical map in any case. Special sites are large part of the fun - even if opponent discovers them!

Yeah, some randomness is a bit sweet. But think about this. You are simply playing the game and then someone across the map finds the fabled "I Win Button" site, enters to it with and wins the game. Pretty boring huh?

Ultimate Gateway, Sacrificial Circle, etc.. are practically the same thing but worse since the effect is not instantenous. If your opponent in the former example had Ultimate Gateway instead of "I Win Button", you'd still be happily playing the game, without knowing that you have in fact, already lost.

Straight out confortational war? Ultimate Gateway guy wins since he has twice as much stuff as you have. Slow-grinding resource war? Ultimate Gateway guy wins since he can summon twice the guys you can. Blitz? Ultimate Gateway guy wins since he can instantly turn his gems into uber-cheap summon army.

However, the site-modding commands are a bit limited, so you can't alter the school bonuses these sites give. If you want some unigue uber sites, I'd probably suggest changing them to give high amount of gems (like 5+).

[Starshine_Monarch]

For something like this I think it would be a good idea to make the game announce the discovery of unique sites like these to the other players, like global enchantments.

By a message as simple as "(NationX) has found (Name of Unique Site)," it would alter the game in that, while the nation with the site still gets the original benefit, he'd be more likely to get ganged up on. So he has a 50% Conjuration bonus there and can summon twice as much stuff for the same price. With that announcement, he's more likely not just facing one other nation anymore, but more like 2 or 3, maybe more if they can hit him from behind the his immediate neighbors with stealth armies or teleporting/trapeezing SCs. If he wants the privilege of keeping that site, he now needs to step up his game and be good to his friends in order to keep from being besieged on all sides by hungry nations that want the site out of his hands.

Of course this isn't something that CBM can fix. I just thought I'd put in my two bits.

[DonCorazon]

I have mixed feelings about OP sites. On one hand, they are a blast to find and make site searching exciting. On the other hand, I tend to agree that they can be the decisive factor in competitive MP games. It seems pretty harsh to invest months into a game, and ultimately lose because your opponent effectively was able to double his resources via a site. I'd be curious to see when people post wins, what key sites they had. My sense is that it makes a pretty big difference.

[Zeldor]

I have Summoning Circle in one MP game and I can honestly say it's game changing. My nation is weak on B [Midgard], but I can get hordes out of that site. Really hordes of vampires. And other nasty stuff.