Communions

[Gregstrom]

Originally Posted by Jarkko

EXAMPLE: You have Communion Master and 16 slaves. The master has with items S8, thus he is boosted to S12 from the communion. The slaves are S2 mages, thus boosted to S6 from communion (notice that this boost is *only* for fatigue, they can't go around casting S6 spells themselves).

On first round each of your mages cast the You decide to cast Communion Slave (except the master casts Communion Master of course). On second round your master casts Master Enslave (lets say he does it with 13 astral pearls). How does the fatigue split?

The Master gets 800/9 (as he has 4 extra levels in S above the required S8 *and* he uses those five extra Astral Pearls to further boost the effective level to 16 for this casting) which is 89 (notice that the AI does not willingly cast spells that kill them, and sometimes are reluctant with spells that would make them unconcious too; for the important killer spells make sure you have enough extra gems along ).

The slaves get first 800/16=50 fatigue each (as there are 16, and the 800 is split evenly). However, as they are effectively 3 levels short from the required S8 the fatigue is multiplied by 3, thus each slave gets 150 fatigue and they fall unconcious.

A couple of points.

1. According to the research in Baalz' thread about communions, the Master ONLY gets fatigue equal to his spellcasting encumbrance - normally under 10 points, and certainly not 89. Spell fatigue As an addendum: AFAIK, spell fatigue caps out at 200 outside communions. Cast a spell worth 300 fatigue, and your mage will fall unconscious with 200.

2. If your slaves are 3 levels short of S8, I think they'd get 4 times the fatigue.

So, you'd actually get a master with <10 fatigue and a bunch of slaves with probably 200. This would be a good time to cast Vortex of Returning.

[Jarkko]

True Gregstorm Too bad I can't edit the post anymore though, so my astonishing math skills will be visible for all the future generations too

[Illuminated One]

Originally Posted by Gregstrom

1. According to the research in Baalz' thread about communions, the Master ONLY gets fatigue equal to his spellcasting encumbrance - normally under 10 points, and certainly not 89.

I'm pretty sure the master gets fatigue from the spell.
The correct formula for the masters fatigue seems to be:
Adjusted Spell fatigue = Spell fatigue / (1 + Skill in Path after communion - Skill required)
(Adjusted Spell fatigue + Encumberance) / Number of Slaves


Tests:

4 Witch Hunters casting (Communion Slave)(hold)...
and 1 Marignon Grand Master F3E1S1 with 10 enc casting

1st:
(Communion Master) -> Master at 20 fatigue
(Flaming Arrows with 1 Gem) -> Master at 35 fatigue
(Invulnerability) -> Master at 42 Fatigue

2nd:
(Communion Master) -> Master at 20 fatigue
(Will of the Fates with 4 Gems) -> Master at 122 fatigue


So calculating Master Fatigue for the Tests would go like this:

Flaming Arrows:
Master starts with F3. In the communion he has F5 due to 4 slaves.
Spell requires F4 with 100 fatigue.
=> Adjusted Spell fatigue = 100 / (1 + 5 - 4) = 50
Master Fatigue = (50 + 10) / 4 = 15

Invulnerability:
Master starts with E1. In the communion he has E3.
Spell requires E3 with 20 fatigue.
=> Adjusted Spell fatigue = 20 / (1 + 3 - 3) = 20
Master Fatigue = (20 + 10) / 4 = 7.5

Will of the Fates:
Master starts with S2. In the communion he has S4.
Spell requires S4 with 400 fatigue.
=> Adjusted Spell fatigue = 400
Master Fatigue = (400 + 10) / 4 = 102.5

[GrudgeBringer]

When using gems do you give each individual slave and Master a small (or large) cache of gems?

And are they automatically used as needed or is thier a way you have to script them to be used (man, this sounds so complicated and BTW....it took me 4 times to get thru basic college Algebra.

(factoring was my downfall)

So for us uhhhhh, mathmatic challenged individuals who will nod and act like we know what your resuts show...could you pleeeease do a summery in normal language so we can go ...AHA!!!, with the rest of you .

Thanks guys for all the help though