Abanoned artillery

[PanzerBob]

Simply grand, all these years didn't know I could destroy abandoned EN equipment!!! Love this game!!!

Thanks

Bob out

[Firestorm]

Shame abandoned equipment can't be captured. It would come in particularly handy when playing long campaigns with poorer nations or partisans.

[junk2drive]

Amazing what is hidden in the game manual.

[Cross]

I agree with you Imp. But keep in mind the SP context, where we typically choose any friendly equipment we want, and it 'arrives' with full crew, full ammo, no mechanical issues.

If you were to agree to use captured equipment, it would be completely reasonable to insist that a piece of captured equipment be available for only the next three battles; assuming it isn't KO.


cheers,
Cross

[RERomine]

With respect to only vehicles only, can the be captured "intact"? Will a crew bail out of an undamaged vehicle? I think they will bail out of an immobilized vehicle, but if it's not immobilized they will rout, vehicle and all. I've never paid very close attention to that.

In general, I make a practice of destroying abandoned enemy equipment. Having it come back to life after the crew regained some intestinal fortitude is not something I like to happen.

[Xrati]

Don't forget about running out of fuel and leaving 'on foot' to get away. I do not beleive that many tanks were captured in battle, but rather abandoned for lack of fuel or having a breakdown.

[Imp]

Yes naughty crew they were supposed to destroy the tank when they left. If look at records for Tigers lost at the end of the war I think you will find more were destroyed by there crews than enemy fire. Mainly due to a lack of petrol & it being a bit heavy to push.

[Imp]

Cross
Its entirely upto you as a player what you think would be reasonably common.
My view is infantry weapons yes to an extent but vehicles they are probably struggling to keep there own stuff going let alone work on something they are not used to apart from basic transport like a truck.

Most players would get the hump if they bought a company of 10 tanks & only 3 showed up at the start with another couple arriving later. You could no doubt model a second movement class that has a % to breakdown for every hex entered. You know petrols nearly gone just dont know when its going to run out.
Same thing goes for ammo loads including infantry you would just micro manage keepinng an eye on by keep looking up.
Guessing here but in the heat of combat think you should just be more selective with targets. Notice ammos getting low & the next warning is a shout of last round

[Cross]

Originally Posted by RERomine

With respect to only vehicles only, can the be captured "intact"? Will a crew bail out of an undamaged vehicle? I think they will bail out of an immobilized vehicle, but if it's not immobilized they will rout, vehicle and all. I've never paid very close attention to that.

In general, I make a practice of destroying abandoned enemy equipment. Having it come back to life after the crew regained some intestinal fortitude is not something I like to happen.

Hi Ray,

You are right that in SP vehicles will usually be immobolized or badly damaged before crews bail. However, I've bailed crews from still running vehicles in an attempt to extract the crew on foot.

IRL, vehicles may merely need a track repair or wheel change; but the crew sensibly bailed and ran because they couldn't do this in the middle of the battle, and they no doubt hoped to recover the vehicle later.

Crews will often not have time/ablity (under fire/panicked) to destroy their vehicle, or may choose not to, because they hope to recover it.

The agreement only allows you to use abandoned equipment that finishes the battle under your control, therefore was not recovered.

By choosing not to destroy an overrun piece of kit, you won't gain the points/experience for the KO. But what's a few points when you can get your hands on a slightly used Panther G

Please keep in mind that I generally don't allow the purchase of captured equipment. But this seems a good way - in Campaigns - to utilise this facet of SP.

cheers,
Simon

[Imp]

Slightly diffrent & do more in MBT but can use a diffrent force for support if agree, normaly use a force with worse equipment but could do the other way.
If do normaly say any extra air or arty may come from either force but not both but all other units must come from supporting nation.
So could do Hungary with German support in WW2 or S.Korea with Australian or US support for instance.
Has the advantage sort of of knowing whose in your core, thing is your opponent does to.