M10, Wolverine, Achilles Self-Propelled Guns

[Imp]

The reality is that there was one US version of the M10, the 3 inch Gun Motor Carriage M10.
When the DTD was labelling them - and they apparently did not do so until 1945 - all M10s, converted or not, were called Achilles. The Achilles I being vehicles with the early turret (V-shaped turret rear), the Achilles II being vehicles with the later turret (flat rear turret). When converted to SP, 17-pr M10, they became Achilles Ic and IIc respectively.

If its misguided most tank museums get it wrong to, Cross lists its full name correctly but in the field it tended to be called Wolverine or M10 plus gun as in M10 17Pdr
This helped us poor Brits tell what it was as naming equipment by a number did not seem to work well with the Brit mind set I guess, its a what so many Ms
Achillies implies its got a soft spot
Wolverine its fast & American as in the animal, perhaps a bit cunning to. Though luckily Baldrick was not around at the time

[cbo]

Originally Posted by Imp

If its misguided most tank museums get it wrong to,

It may be news to you, but museums gets lots of stuff wrong - often they just use the information available to you and me, primarily books, and they will, like any one else who has not had the time and opportunity to dig into the matter, get it wrong.

I would like to point out redcoat2's post, which clearly shows that the naming issue regarding the M10 is being dealt with in books, showing that not everyone is satisfied endlessly repeating the same old info.

Cross lists its full name correctly

He does?

but in the field it tended to be called Wolverine or M10 plus gun as in M10 17Pdr

..and this you know how?

This helped us poor Brits tell what it was as naming equipment by a number did not seem to work well with the Brit mind set I guess, its a what so many Ms

Actually, judging from manuals and wardiaries, the British were perfectly capable of using silly things like M10, SP, 17-pr M10 and such

Achillies implies its got a soft spot

And you know this how....?

Seems more likely that the DTD decided that self-propelled anti-tank guns should have names beginning with A - like Archer, Achilles and Avenger...

Wolverine its fast & American as in the animal, perhaps a bit cunning to.

There is nothing fast about an M10, nor does Wolverine fit what appears to be the DTDs naming conventions for SP anti-tank guns. Maybe there is a reason why it wasn't used in WWII....

cbo

[Imp]

We will leave it as you seem to be getting a bit heated & it is after all a game so as long as most people can recognise it thats all thats really required.

As to naming conventions Archer probably implies its a stand off weapon Achillies as in Greek God. And speed compared to the average Brit medium tank of the day yes it was fast. So was the Cromwell & some other rarer beasts