Mod: Bretonnia, Knights of the Grail

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Originally Posted by Burnsaber

And about the siege/freespawn problem, I brainstormed some solutions. Opinions are welcome:

1) Make the freespawn cost more upkeep (by making them summon different units that the basic recruitable peasants).
2) Reduce the amount of freespawn to 2, but make the summons a bit better. Like Lord to 2 chain men-at-arms and Marquis to 2 Yeomen. I could reduce the gold cost of the leather men-at-arms further to see that they see use in Bretonnian armies.
3) Change the troops to domsummons -> the sieger can preach to get the freespawn in control.

Any of these changes could also be added with the castle change.

1) This doesn't really remove the problem and it would arguably add another level of annoyance because you'd be getting gold draining chaff whether you liked it or not and might even have to specifically suicide them to keep upkeep down. You know, when they aren't preventing sieges from working. They are still generated for free and still bypass the siege-stops-recruitment mechanic.

2) You mean summon allies? This doesn't change the siege situation since the besieged will have nothing better to do than summon dudes. Generally speaking I'm in favour of summon allies over freespawn though, because summon allies is never annoying - you have a choice about it. Even if it is technically worse.

3) The problem with domsummon is that on domsummon2 you still gets LOADS of dudes with high dom (basically you'll sit your domsummon commanders in your cap) while on domsummon20 you get so few it's a bit pointless (unless they're pretty powerful units like bat demons, vampires etc)

My advice would be to remove or otherwise heavily scale back the non recruitment creation of these units. When I started with the skaven I used a lot of summon allies and freespawn etc and over time I've realised it generally just causes more trouble than it's worth and creates a bizarre second economy based on hoarding commanders. If you look at the vanilla game it's really limited in application - cap only wolfherds for example. I suspect because of the warping effect it has on the game.

I think it's probably ok as a main feature of some nations, but bretonnia doesn't exactly feel like one of those to me.