Hungarian OOB 5.5

[Pibwl]

114 Mi-1 - correct pic is 9120 (now: Mi-2). Max speed was only 185km/h (61, now: 76).

116 Mi-4 - standard armament was 12.7 TKB MG in underbelly station, not 7.62. Normal load is 12 men, max 16 (unit 312 in Russian oob has 116) (now: 112).

117 Mi-8P - Mi-8P is in fact Russian designation of a civilian (Passenger) version - transport one is Mi-8T.
As a standard, Mi-8 didn't carry any MG, especially 12.7mm. I don't think that the Hungarians were an exception (the Soviets in Afghanistan fitted 7.62mm, but more often to Mi-17). On several recent photos of Hungarian Mi-8 and Mi-17 that I've spotted in the net, there's no forward MG, nor its round mounting visible in a cab's front.

If it was armed with 57mm rockets, it carried as a standard 64 (4x16) - now it has 32. But there should be also plain unarmed transport variant created, more commonly used.
Armed icon is 86 or 1910.

118 Mi-17 - if it was armed with MG (see above), it would be 7.62mm. I don't know, if the Hungarian ones were armed. Mi-17 carried as a standard 192 rockets (6x32) - now it has 64.

I've just found such Hungarian document http://www.szrfk.hu/rtk/kulonszamok/...osz_zoltan.pdf in which there are numbers of rockets 64 and 192 confirmed, and MGs aren't visible on (scarce, but interesting) photos. An here http://repulomuzeum.hu/ARCHFOTO/Mi-8.htm are several pre-1990 photos.

122, 123, 130 Mi-8T/ Falanga, Mi-8TB - I have no sources, but these Falanga-armed Mi-8s are quite doubtful in Hungarian service. Antitank Mi-8 wasn't a common variant, and there are no such armed helicopters on photos in the net. Also a pdf from a link above doesn't mention such missiles. It might be too vague info to delete these units, but I must point your attention to it - maybe it will be cleared in the future.

124 Mi-24 / Falanga - original name is Mi-24D. It carries as a standard 128 rockets (4x32) plus missiles - now it has 64.

125 Mi-24V / Sturm - rockets as above. Original name is just Mi-24V.

127 Yak-9P Vercse - original Soviet Yak-9P was armed with 3 guns 20 mm Shvak, and had no provisions to carry bombs (I don't know if the Hungarians modified them, but it's doubtful). Hungarian spelling is Jak.

Note: it's difficult to find specific info on Hungarian post-war weapons, that's why in some cases I'm basing upon general knowledge of Soviet equipment and Warsaw pact practice and rationality - it's up to it, if you find it convincing, or just disregard.

131 MiG-15 - MiG-15s didn't carry obsolete RS-82 rockets (for all countries). Could be armed with two bombs 100 kg (they didn't carry other ground attack armament as a standard)

132-134 MiG-17F, PF - MiG-17s didn't carry obsolete RS-82 rockets (for all countries). Armament of #135 of two bombs 250 kg is correct - they didn't carry other ground attack armament as a standard. Usage of rockets is known only for Soviet MiG-17AS ground attack modification (210mm ones).

If we want rocket-armed variant, there is a possibility, that two 16-tube 57mm launchers were adapted to MiG-17 instead of bombs (or drop tanks) in the 70s, but this is pure guess of what could be or could be not.

136 Il-10 Ruszkov - according to Russian Aviakollekcya on Il-10, it had provisions to carry only four missiles RS-82 or RS-132 (now: 4x 2xRS-82). RS-132 were more efficient (weapon 191 in Russian oob), but would be carried with 2 x 100kg bombs rather instead of 4. According to this source, first delivered in 9/49 (now 1/49) and used until late 56 (12/61).

There could be also variant with 2x250kg bombs and without rockets, or with 144 AP bomblets.

137 Avia B-33 - it was the same as Il-10, with same comments.

139, 140 MiG-19PF, SF - Russian sources nor Squadron/Signal MiG-19 In Action monograph doesn't recognize such MiG-19 variants at all. There were P and S, but according to In Action, Hungary wasn't among their users. Hungary used only MiG-19PM, but it was an interceptor, with cannons removed, carrying AA missiles. It could carry only 4 unguided rockets ARS-212M (S-21M, 210 mm) or ARS-160 (S-3K, 160mm), but according to this source, they were rarely used. Delivered from 3/60 only (9/59).

149 MiG-23MF - better picture is 29352 (current is flat-nosed Mig-23B). In addition to 2x500 kg bombs, it could carry also 2x250 kg.

There could be also variant with 128 rockets 57mm (4x32)

150 MiG-29A - no early MiG-29 can carry air-to-ground missiles - only Russian recent export proposals of modernized machines. Typical armament of MiG-29 is 4 bombs 500 kg or 80 rockets 80mm (4x20).

151-154 Su-22 - precisely, Su-22M3

Hungary could also use variant with at least 128 x 57mm S-5 rockets (4x32 tube) (photo with 57mm rockets http://www.airliners.net/photo/Hunga...2M3/1764363/L/ ) or at least 80x 80mm S-8 rockets (4x20) (photo with 80mm rockets
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7309186&nseq=0 )

158-160 Avia Il-28 - should be just Il-28, they were acquired from USSR, not Czechoslovak Avia.

Michal