Finnish OOB35 Corrections and Suggestions PART 1 -- Weapons

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by PvtJoker

Weapon 033 75mm K 17 FG: real max range was 10,700 meters, so Weapon Range 201. AP ammunition was available since Nov. 1943, penetration 9.

According to http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY3.htm more modern AP-T was introduced in 11/43 (along with HEAT), but APHE rounds were introduced in 3/42 (French mle 1910) and I believe, that APHE should be added as a standard AP shot. I have no data as for armour penetration, but it must have been at least 70 mm (mle 1910 was a steel solid shot, with little explosive).

Therefore, there could be created the second entry of unit 77 75mm K 17 FG, with some AP ammo since 3/42 - and the third entry with some HEAT, since 11/43.

Weapon 036 76mm K 02 FG: Real max range 10,600 meters, so Weapon Range 201. AP Pen 10 with Finnish AP-T (available since Dec 1942). Max. range with pre-WW2 ammunition only 7,900 meters (158) (i.e. off-map artillery units with this gun should not be available before 1939 or so).

Russian sources for WW1 artillery credit it with range 8.5km. Anyway, I think, that we should keep it with range 200, because otherwise the Finns will remain without off-map light arty before the war...

Since 1940 a range 200, or even 201 will be justified, also by capturing of modernized 76mm K/02-30 (range 10.6km = 201)

Weapon 230 105mm H 33 FG: (10,5 cm leFH 18) max. range 202 in German OOB. Finnish sources say 11,300 meters, but such small differences are common with artillery pieces. HEAT penetration 10 (as German OOB). HEAT available since May 1944.

Since they had muzzle brakes, they had to be leFH-18M model, with range increased to 12.3km (the German one represents also a basic model, with range 10.6km).

[PvtJoker]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

According to http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY3.htm more modern AP-T was introduced in 11/43 (along with HEAT), but APHE rounds were introduced in 3/42 (French mle 1910) and I believe, that APHE should be added as a standard AP shot. I have no data as for armour penetration, but it must have been at least 70 mm (mle 1910 was a steel solid shot, with little explosive).

Therefore, there could be created the second entry of unit 77 75mm K 17 FG, with some AP ammo since 3/42 - and the third entry with some HEAT, since 11/43.

What you suggest would need another Weapon to be added as well, since AP ammunition in indirect artillery piece units means cluster munitions. So all AP ammo has to added as Sabot.

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Russian sources for WW1 artillery credit it with range 8.5km. Anyway, I think, that we should keep it with range 200, because otherwise the Finns will remain without off-map light arty before the war...

The Finnish army was equipped mostly with non-modernized WW1 stuff in the 1930's and I don't think there's nothing wrong with the OOB reflecting that. Only after a buying frenzy in 1939 and donations did it get even to the shape it was during Winter War (which was still sorely lacking especially in field artillery, AA and AT weapons and ammo, and most of the donated weapons arrived too late to be used).

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Since they had muzzle brakes, they had to be leFH-18M model, with range increased to 12.3km (the German one represents also a basic model, with range 10.6km).

Finnish military sources are usually very conservative when they give artillery ranges. They take account the fact that barrel wear and other factors limit artillery maximum ranges in practice.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by PvtJoker

Finnish military sources are usually very conservative when they give artillery ranges. They take account the fact that barrel wear and other factors limit artillery maximum ranges in practice.

...........which is precisely why arguing that a gun should be 202 instead of 204 because source X says so is pointless . There are too many sources that vary. Find something that 5 out and you have a valid point but not one or even 2