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October 30th, 2013, 05:58 PM
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Re: Finnish OOB35 Corrections and Suggestions PART 1 -- Weapons
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Originally Posted by PvtJoker
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Add 120mm K 78 FG (Materiel de 120 Long, Mle 1878). Range 12,400 meters (202), HE Kill whatever 120mm guns get (14 or 15?). Only HE ammo. Corresponding units should have ROF 3 due to lack of recoil mechanism (actual rate of fire was even lower, but most WW1 vintage field artillery pieces have a highly optimistic ROF in SPWW2, even the ones with a recoil buffer). Available since April 1940.
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It's better to add Polish-modified 120 K/78-31 (weapon 96 from Polish OOB, but range 13km = 203) - see
http://derela.republika.pl/120mm_wz78-09-31.htm and
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY4.htm
Apart from a Polish photo 21171, a proper picture seems 23599.
Michal
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The modernized Polish gun was a better weapon no doubt. However, the Finnish Army had only 24 of them, but 72 of the non-modernized 120mm K 78 FG. Because we can't add every gun that was in the inventory, I think the latter should be added (if anything), because it was more significant historically. 120 K/78-31 could be added to WinSPMBT, since they remained in reserve until late 1960's.
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November 3rd, 2013, 12:55 PM
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Re: Finnish OOB35 Corrections and Suggestions PART 1 -- Weapons
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Originally Posted by PvtJoker
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Originally Posted by Pibwl
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Originally Posted by PvtJoker
Suggestions:
Add 120mm K 78 FG (Materiel de 120 Long, Mle 1878). Range 12,400 meters (202), HE Kill whatever 120mm guns get (14 or 15?). Only HE ammo. Corresponding units should have ROF 3 due to lack of recoil mechanism (actual rate of fire was even lower, but most WW1 vintage field artillery pieces have a highly optimistic ROF in SPWW2, even the ones with a recoil buffer). Available since April 1940.
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It's better to add Polish-modified 120 K/78-31 (weapon 96 from Polish OOB, but range 13km = 203) - see
http://derela.republika.pl/120mm_wz78-09-31.htm and
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY4.htm
Apart from a Polish photo 21171, a proper picture seems 23599.
Michal
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The modernized Polish gun was a better weapon no doubt. However, the Finnish Army had only 24 of them, but 72 of the non-modernized 120mm K 78 FG. Because we can't add every gun that was in the inventory, I think the latter should be added (if anything), because it was more significant historically. 120 K/78-31 could be added to WinSPMBT, since they remained in reserve until late 1960's.
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You say "Available since April 1940" MIchals own website says "24 guns wz.1878/09/31, including some wz.1878/10/31, captured by the Germans, were sold to Finland in October 1940."
April or October....which is it ??
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November 3rd, 2013, 01:35 PM
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Re: Finnish OOB35 Corrections and Suggestions PART 1 -- Weapons
I think that April 1940 refers to original K/78 ( http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY2.htm - although there is no mention about April, but they were delivered at the end of Winter War) - while K/78-31 were delivered in October 1940.
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November 3rd, 2013, 02:50 PM
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Re: Finnish OOB35 Corrections and Suggestions PART 1 -- Weapons
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Originally Posted by Pibwl
I think that April 1940 refers to original K/78 ( http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY2.htm - although there is no mention about April, but they were delivered at the end of Winter War) - while K/78-31 were delivered in October 1940.
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Yes, of course it referred to the original 120 K/78 quite explicitly (I even included the original French designation Materiel de 120 Long, Mle 1878). You brought up the K/78-31.
April 1940 is indeed "after the Winter War", since no exact data on when the units became operational is available. If one wants to be conservative, a few months for training could be included.
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