Bulgarian OOB19 v.9

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

That's interesting. Personally I doubt it, for Bulgarian book doesn't know about this type, and surely in 1942 they were fit for nothing more but training (Bulgarians would sure prefer more Do 17s...) - but since the Germans managed to sell them H-39 tanks in 1944, everything is possible...

Maybe they were only used for training.......maybe not but keep in mind we are talking about an unit type ---level bomber------ that few people use in an OOB even fewer use so try to contain your natural desire to nitpick unimportant details that just make work for me. It's in, there's a dedicated Icon for it.....it flys over and drops bombs that go BOOM......and anyone interested in micro details can decide if they want to use it or not


Lets run a little survey

1/ HAS ANYONE EVER USED THE LEVEL BOMBERS IN THE BULGARIAN OOB IN A GAME ??

2/ HAS ANYONE EVER PLAYED BULGARIA AS P1 OR AS AN OPPONENT ??

Michel, you really scraping the bottom of the barrel nitpicking Bulgaria......You are arguing whether the introduction date for a Skoda T-11 is 7/40 as we have it....or 9/40 becasue you have a polish article that says that and I can't verify.......or 10/40 that a Bulgarian Wiki claims is correct and we don't know where that info comes from and they might be referring to when the units were organized into formations in the army and our info might be referring to when the train carrying them arrived in Bulgaria.....it could be either but it's largely irrelevant--- different sources will ALWAYS differ.......... and on top of that Bulgaria never entered the war for nearly another YEAR ! ( for what it was worth......they only joined so they could get a piece of Greece.....and they didn't even participate !! )

I'd be "thrilled " to find out if anyone actually plays as Bulgaria let alone uses the level bombers.....the ONLY reason there are so many in there is in my spare time I like modeling aircraft Icons.....when I actually HAVE "spare time"


Don

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

2/ HAS ANYONE EVER PLAYED BULGARIA AS P1 OR AS AN OPPONENT ??


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I'd be "thrilled " to find out if anyone actually plays as Bulgaria let alone uses the level bombers.....the ONLY reason there are so many in there is in my spare time I like modeling aircraft Icons.....when I actually HAVE "spare time"

Well, I'm sure there are some Bulgarians, who play Bulgaria

We admire your icons
It's the thing I can't do.

I didn't vote to remove MB-210 in last post, it was only my opinion.

BTW, as for Dornier 11 - it's hard to find any color drawing, but it seems they were grey http://modelingmadness.com/review/preww2/attarddo11.htm (although the model there uses late markings)

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

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BTW, as for Dornier 11 - it's hard to find any color drawing, but it seems they were grey http://modelingmadness.com/review/preww2/attarddo11.htm (although the model there uses late markings)

Yes, I know

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

Yes, I know

Beautiful
Only one thing: it may be worth to change X markings to pre-war ones. I've found only one photo, which vaguely shows markings on wings:

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

I didn't vote to remove MB-210 in last post, it was only my opinion.

New source I found says

Bloch MB.210
This low-wing monoplane bomber served with Romania, but not Bulgaria.

We have info that 6 were passed to Bulgaria by the Gemrans but then they seem to have vanished......It's possible that Bulgaria sold them to the Romanians but equally possible that the original info that 6 were passed on to Bulgaria.....got the country wrong and it was Romania they were passed to..EITHER could be correct but the evidence is stacking up that they were NOT used by the Bulgarians even if they HAD been given 6 by the Germans....so I've pulled it from the OOB

[Griefbringer]

Originally Posted by DRG

I'd be "thrilled " to find out if anyone actually plays as Bulgaria let alone uses the level bombers.....

I think that I have at some point played a late war scenario that comes with the game that pits Germans against a joint attack by Bulgarians and Soviets. Cannot recall the name or number for that one. But that is probably the only time I have played a game involving Bulgarians. I have taken a glance at their OOB at some point, however.

As for level bombers (in any OOB), I tend to find them rather uninteresting gaming-wise.

[zastava128]

Originally Posted by Griefbringer

I think that I have at some point played a late war scenario that comes with the game that pits Germans against a joint attack by Bulgarians and Soviets. Cannot recall the name or number for that one. But that is probably the only time I have played a game involving Bulgarians. I have taken a glance at their OOB at some point, however.

The scenario in question is #101, and it's the only one involving Bulgaria.

I've also played a generated campaign with Bulgaria as one of the opponents. They're about on-par with the Italians - low morale and experience, poorly equipped infantry, 75mm guns, tankettes and Panzer 38s mostly. They do get stronger in late 1944, when they start getting Panzer IVs and StuGs.


As an aside, one notable historical battle involving the Bulgarians - which would perhaps make an interesting scenario - took place on 17th September 1944, when the Bulgarian Armoured Brigade was advancing near Pirot, Serbia. It attacked the German 1st Mountain Division and got thoroughly trounced, losing an entire company of Panzer IVs (10 tanks) to a single German 88mm gun!

[Griefbringer]

Originally Posted by zastava128

The scenario in question is #101, and it's the only one involving Bulgaria.

Yep, that's the one - I re-discovered it myself yesterday and gave it another try, resulting in marginal victory. It is a pretty fun little scenario to play as the Germans, with a few surprises taking place...