Cant figure this out.

[Grandpa Kim]

Gryphin said:

I'm speculating that the "Liberated" populous has the same mood from befor it was
"Liberated" The longer my ships are there the worse the mood of the population.

This checks with my observations. In a recently completed war, the first few planets I "liberated" were jubilant, the next few were happy. Then I began getting indifferent followed by unhappy. The Last half dozen were angry! I have no doubt that had the war gone on a little longer, I would have had riots on my hands.

[Q]

Originally posted by tbontob:
Q says this changes with a alien population. He seems to be saying there is no self-centering process with an captured population of an alien race. Y/N?

If yes, then in a peaceful race, wouldn't the two processes cancel each other out and all things being equal wouldn't the state of the alien population be either "happy" or "unhappy" but would not proceed any further to either extreme (i.e. Jubilant or rioting)?

1.) Yes (if using the standard value
"Natural Decrease for Other Races := 20"
but this can be modded).
2.) No: It can't cancel each other because the natural decrease is either that of your native race or the one of other races but not both combined.

[capnq]

It can't cancel each other because the natural decrease is either that of your native race or the one of other races but not both combined.

Wouldn't both apply to a planet with more than one race on it?

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Q:

quote:

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Originally posted by tbontob:
Q says this changes with a alien population. He seems to be saying there is no self-centering process with an captured population of an alien race. Y/N?

If yes, then in a peaceful race, wouldn't the two processes cancel each other out and all things being equal wouldn't the state of the alien population be either "happy" or "unhappy" but would not proceed any further to either extreme (i.e. Jubilant or rioting)?

1.) Yes (if using the standard value
"Natural Decrease for Other Races := 20"
but this can be modded).
2.) No: It can't cancel each other because the natural decrease is either that of your native race or the one of other races but not both combined.

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So, the $64,000 question is when does the alien races's take precedent (or vice-versa)?

[Fyron]

If 1 alien is on your planet, the entire population is treated as being alien. This applies to happiness, atmosphere compatibility, etc.

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
If 1 alien is on your planet, the entire population is treated as being alien. This applies to happiness, atmosphere compatibility, etc.

So, if the alien races characteristic always takes precedent, then there is no real or imagined conflict.

[tbontob]

Since the "Natural decrease - Others" is 20 for all types (Peacefull, Blood Thirsty and Neutral), then all things being equal, that planet should eventually riot.

[Q]

Originally posted by tbontob:
Since the "Natural decrease - Others" is 20 for all types (Peacefull, Blood Thirsty and Neutral), then all things being equal, that planet should eventually riot.

I am not sure about this. In my tests even with larger values of the natural decrease (100) the happiness went to angry but not to riot after 10-20 turns.
May be I did not wait long enough but may be the natural decrease lowers the happiness only to angry not further. You may need other events like battle losses, foreign ships, plagues to push the happiness over the riot limit. But as said I am not sure about this.

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Q:

quote:

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Originally posted by tbontob:
Since the "Natural decrease - Others" is 20 for all types (Peacefull, Blood Thirsty and Neutral), then all things being equal, that planet should eventually riot.

I am not sure about this. In my tests even with larger values of the natural decrease (100) the happiness went to angry but not to riot after 10-20 turns.
May be I did not wait long enough but may be the natural decrease lowers the happiness only to angry not further. You may need other events like battle losses, foreign ships, plagues to push the happiness over the riot limit. But as said I am not sure about this.

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In my first game playing AI opponents, another race somehow became part of my empire. They were one planet and eventually riotted. I didn't know what to do at the time so they just continued to riot over many more turns. I was at the top of the game (totally dominating it) and was sustaining no battle losses or even ship losses. Foreign ships, plagues etc. were not an issue.