AI DEAD MATCH CONTEST!

[Master Belisarius]

Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
Something odd happened in the Drokol vs. Azorani match. I checked the Azorani designs at turn 100 and none of the designs were correct for Azorani. There was an armed colonizer cruiser that does not exist for the Azorani, and weapons for attack ships were a mix of missiles and PPB. Then I checked at the end of the game and the designs were a mix of the above designs and standard Azorani designs. I noticed that many of the designs were named Design nnn, so I wonder if there was a cross-up of some sort with the Drakol on design names.

I'll check it today. But first all, must say that the Azorani are new in my computer, right, then think this is not the same problem with the EEE...

[Master Belisarius]

Originally posted by Rexxx:
I just checked the saves (turn 100 and later) of the EEE-UF match. There are lots of oddities (on the Eee side) similar to those AK mentioned in his Last post.

The ship designs are completely new: The Eee never designed cargo or troop transports. I didn't find the missile and PPB attack ships, there are lots of APB and DUC ships which the Eee never designed (APBs are not even researched). There are weapon platforms the Eee never designed, researched or built but a lot of "wrong" fighters. The research tree is also very strange and not the "original" one, the facility construction is lousy. To shorten it up, I found the Emperor's name but the wrong Empire.
After seeing this chaos I stopped wondering why the UF defeated the Eee so easily. Using this stuff the Eee are not even a match for a stock race. An official protest by General Secretary Lihun is in order.

You're right!!!
When I have started the tournament, I have created a new folder named "Tournament", and was doing a copy there all the AI files.
The problem was, that when I have started this game, forget to change the setting into the program "SE4Batch", to change the MOD folder... then, think that the EEE used most the time, the TDM files!
I never played the EEE TDM, then, when I realized the mistake, checked the EEE and believed that was not the stock EEE, then, believed that everything was ok (because I don't remembered that the EEE was included into the TDM).

When the United Flora, doesn't existed problems (THINK!), because I had a copy of the 2.0 Version inside my TDM folder.
Conclusion: I'll play the game again... SORRY!

About the Drakol_vs_Azorani, well, I think that have changed the setting before this game. But I have got some game errors, and then, did a reboot and everything was ok.
I will replay this game too, if doesn't exist objections!

Here is the result between: Aquilaeian_Vs_Orks.
The Aquilaeian wins. Please note that at the turn 340, they opened a hole to the Human race and killed everything!
Aquilaeian_vs_Orks_G2.zip

Hey, sorry for the problems, but is not easy try to have in mind all the details... This is because I'm posting ALL, trying to keep everything transparent to everybody.

Edit:
Skulky wrote:
"However... each game or series could be distributed for analysis and a whole analysis package could be drawn up with a winner written up. Also big points for any race that can beat the allegiance subverter w/o a mod.
...maybe?"
It's ok with me. If you want the job, you will be able to download all the savegames and judge them.

To DeathStalker:
Thanks, I will download the files from there.

[ November 13, 2002, 13:42: Message edited by: Master Belisarius ]

[Rexxx]

Hi MB,
no problem at all. Just as you said there are lots of files and races to be dealt with to make this contest work. It is much easier - and definitely more fun - to check out the results than to create them.

[ November 13, 2002, 14:27: Message edited by: Rexxx ]

[Master Belisarius]

Well, still are fighting the United Flora against the EEE (this time with the right files!).
And surprise! The EEE are doing a great job and think will win!!!
Now it's the turn 319 and the UF are down in the numbers and at the defensive... The UF started in a good way, but at some point, they became lack of organics, and think it changed the course of the game.
What a difference with the previous EEE files!!!!!! Good work Rexxx!!
Hope could post the files today, because the turns after the turn 350 always start to be verrrrry slow.

Tomorrow will be unable to play any game, because need to fly to Buenos Aires. Will continue Friday night.

Edit: now it's the turn 382 and the things looks more even.
The EEE have 3.0M of points and the UF2.4. Everything could happen! UF with problems with organics, and EEE with problems with radioactives!
Sadly, that here we had a new example of a bug that I have already seen in other games: some AI fleets stand without do anything during turns and turns.
For example, does exist a EEE fleet into the Baksha system, that is not under Minister Control!!!!!!!!! Similar thing, but with a bunch of UF ships into the same system, coordinates 2,5.

Turn 420 and the UF where first in the points, and believed that should start to change the game for their side.
Turn 430 and the UF are first, and have 2 strong fleets inside the EEE territory at Cuyrok and Cephedri, but the EEE had an strong fleet in AGR.
Turn 440 and the EEE are in the first place again. Their attacks inside Agr, are giving good results for them.
Turn 445 and the UF are falling! Lots of riots and Ships abandoned! They only have 871K of points, when 15 turns ago they had more than 3.0 M!!

Obviously, both AI's are doing mistakes that the humans doesn't do... If not, nobody could explain the amazing course of this game!!!!!!!!!

Turn 447 and the UF have riots everywhere!
Turn 453 and the UF only have 326K points!
It is strange of seeing, how its strong empire with a winning situation, crumbled in a few turns, as a castle of cards!
Turn 470 and the UF did something VERY INTELLIGENT: they surrendered to the EEE.
Turn 480 and the EEE have killed the humans!

A very interesting game! Sure, sometimes the AI mistakes could irritate the more calm people, but was a cool game!
Here is the link UFlora_vs_EEE_G1_with_right_Files.zip

[ November 14, 2002, 02:38: Message edited by: Master Belisarius ]

[Alpha Kodiak]

I would definitely like to see how the Azorani play with the correct files.

[Master Belisarius]

Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
I would definitely like to see how the Azorani play with the correct files.

Touche!!!
But think were the right files...
Something strange happened, that was unable to determinate, and was fixed after reboot (damn Windows!).
Maybe was a memory problem, or something like that.

[Master Belisarius]

Last Report before sleep:
Now are playing the Drakol vs Azorani, again...
Turn 227, and although the Drakol control more systems, their victory points are 643k, vs 1.2M of the Azorani.

Tomorrow if have time, will post the results befor take the taxi to the airport!

Edit: The Azorani are the winners...
Here is the link: Drakol_vs_Azorani_Right_Game.zip

[ November 14, 2002, 10:53: Message edited by: Master Belisarius ]