Night of the Long Knives?

[Strider]

People...the moderators had a lot of 'reports' concerning Sombre's posts, by forum members, not moderators. Most, if not all of those who made those reports, are also long standing and respected members of this forum. And in some of the reports, it wasn't against the person who made the report, but "for" someone else, especially for the newer people.

[Trumanator]

Originally Posted by Strider

People...the moderators had a lot of 'reports' concerning Sombre's posts, by forum members, not moderators. Most, if not all of those who made those reports, are also long standing and respected members of this forum. And in some of the reports, it wasn't against the person who made the report, but "for" someone else, especially for the newer people.

ROFL, cuz septimus severus,and Kuritza are "respected members of this forum." Besides, you and Annette are now giving conflicting stories. She just said that there isn't any actual evidence because you guys were supposedly treating sombre w/kid gloves, and now you're saying that there were a lot of reports? Try coordinating before trying to lie to your forumgoers.

[SciencePro]

Originally Posted by Trumanator

ROFL, cuz septimus severus,and Kuritza are "respected members of this forum."

well forum moderating is a subjective business so there is no way to be totally consistent. But I think for the most part people behave themselves or are met with measured responses. Just because one person may have overreacted one time doesn't mean the whole system is broken.

And I wouldn't use Kuritza as an example. He quit back in January and has only made one post since.

[Rookierookie]

Originally Posted by Trumanator

ROFL, cuz septimus severus,and Kuritza are "respected members of this forum." Besides, you and Annette are now giving conflicting stories. She just said that there isn't any actual evidence because you guys were supposedly treating sombre w/kid gloves, and now you're saying that there were a lot of reports? Try coordinating before trying to lie to your forumgoers.

Way to jump on forum members who have never been named until this post. So much for the community.

[Frozen Lama]

annette you didn't bend the rules. you simply broke them. its that simple. basically you're simply lying to us. and i think about 50% of the anger isn't so much about him being banned anymore. its that we see ourselves being blatantly lied to. answer us. why didn't you follow your own rules to try and remedy the "continual problem"

[Annette]

Originally Posted by Frozen Lama

annette you didn't bend the rules. you simply broke them. its that simple. basically you're simply lying to us. and i think about 50% of the anger isn't so much about him being banned anymore. its that we see ourselves being blatantly lied to. answer us. why didn't you follow your own rules to try and remedy the "continual problem"

I take your accusation of lying to you very seriously. What have I lied about? I posted earlier why I exercised our right to circumvent the infraction system.

Trumanator, the reports go to the private moderator's forum. I said there is not evidence that YOU can see.

This is going nowhere. You're angry. I get it.

[Trumanator]

Originally Posted by Annette

I take your accusation of lying to you very seriously. What have I lied about? I posted earlier why I exercised our right to circumvent the infraction system.

Thanks for finally admitting that you went outside your own T&Cs, I appreciate the honesty.

Trumanator, the reports go to the private moderator's forum. I said there is not evidence that YOU can see.

So basically, you're telling us to trust you. Obviously that's not going to fly anymore. Obviously sombre isn't going to give a damn about reports on his posts, so really the only reason to not share the evidence is to conceal the lack of it.

[Frozen Lama]

Originally Posted by Annette

I take your accusation of lying to you very seriously. What have I lied about? I posted earlier why I exercised our right to circumvent the infraction system.

Trumanator, the reports go to the private moderator's forum. I said there is not evidence that YOU can see.

Well the blatant lying that i see is when you say that he was bad enough to cause you to escalate. yeah you can give us hints about your secret caches of evidence, but we know what sombre actually said in the pm's that got him banned.

and basically you are lying when you say that he refused to follow your rules. he just said he could care less about the 10-point infraction. nothing about him not caring about your rules, and nothing that would indicate that a temp ban would be totally ineffective.

"-10 points oh noes"
'[the penalty] means as much to me as forgetting to buy milk at the grocery store.'

[Valerius]

I noticed a couple of references to Orwell in this thread. It seems like some (*not* all) people on one side of this discussion are certainly engaging in a Two Minute Hate (though it's obviously gone on a lot longer than two minutes). Though I doubt it will change anyone's mind it's worth pointing out that the reasoned, calm posts supporting Sombre carry a lot more weight than the more extreme ones.

While I'm sure it's invigorating feeling part of a righteous crusade, it doesn't really help when your martyr is unsympathetic and has brought the problem down on himself. It's actually real simple. What's more important to Sombre: participating in the forum or acting the way he wants? Obviously it's the latter. Equally obviously, there's a misalignment between Shrapnel's view of the forum and Sombre's desired behavior. That doesn't really leave many options.

[Foodstamp]

Nice ninja there, did you feel bad for dissing the third guy?