Choose your targets

[m113apc]

And good day to you Bob.

Well, I haven’t tried that function yet, where I can order my unit to open fire at a specific type of enemy units. I know about it, but haven’t tried it yet. But I sure will give it a try.

Anyway, this is a great game; actually this is the first game I ever played on a PC way back. And here I am, many years later still playing it.

[PanzerBob]

Yes I've been playing this game since it's inception as well, it just never gets boring!! I've tried a few others but there always seems to be limitations of one sort or another, especially in their scope, plus the Campaign options in this game seem limitless. Heck, with the addition of MBT they for all practical purposes and some not so practical are limitless. I know people who have stacks of games now collecting dust still searching for THE GAME. Why search further? Some have seen the light some not.


Let us know how you do with the "ambushes" I'm going to form a "Ambush" section with my present German vs. AI Campaign and do some more "experimentation"! I'll brief the results sometime in the near future, but I need a delay or defense for it to work the best.


Bob out

[iCaMpWiThAWP]

A tip for your ambush, use pueppchens or steirlgranates to ambush enemy tanks, they're deadly

[reverend]

I just wanted to add that I originally came from WaW as well. However, the advantages of the winSPx CD versions (map editor and resolution) brought me to buy those two as well.

In the beginning, I really missed the opfire confirmation. Especially against human opponents, it seemed exploitable to move units around in order to draw opfire chances before beginning the 'real' movement.

If you have the CD version, the opfire filter then works like a charm. You can specify which target to engange, in what area, against how strong armour, at what range, ...

I didn't miss opfire confirmations after that, and neither will you.

[Mobhack]

Originally Posted by reverend

I just wanted to add that I originally came from WaW as well. However, the advantages of the winSPx CD versions (map editor and resolution) brought me to buy those two as well.

In the beginning, I really missed the opfire confirmation. Especially against human opponents, it seemed exploitable to move units around in order to draw opfire chances before beginning the 'real' movement.

If you have the CD version, the opfire filter then works like a charm. You can specify which target to engange, in what area, against how strong armour, at what range, ...

I didn't miss opfire confirmations after that, and neither will you.

I dont go mad with the feature, but it was handy as Iran to set my chieftains and TOW to engage Iraqi T-72 and discount any T-55 etc, which my lesser stuff was left to shoot at. Or in WW2, to set up my 17 pounders to hit on tiggers, panthers etc and leave P4s to the cromwells and regular shermans.

The ambush area is useful now and then to only fire on targets in a small area of critical import, and leave any others to deal with later.

Andy

[Charles22]

Careful guys, as I have heard before on this forum, if you are playing the AI, be aware that the filtering can give you a very significant advantage, as the AI does not have the filtering available.

[Imp]

I to came from WAW & did not use target choosing often as got bored pressing the space bar.
I feel the target selection routines in this game are far better anyway so you do not fire at every unit in LOS.
If you want better buy the CD & give them some orders with the opfire filter but you will generaly find in most games just use it now & again when its needed.
Just think of any unit that did something you wish it hadn't as reacting poorly in the heat of the moment.
Not giving your position away is easy just turn down the range if no op filter they will fire back if fired on.
My pet niggle is the occasion when he fires one of my few APCR rounds at a taxi but hey it was in the tube & ready to go.
This is a reason why the other argument that sometimes comes up of being able to select ammo type is a no no. If alowed the guns rate of fire should be reduced if selected manually, fire to clear then load right round.

[Charles22]

Imp: I may be incorrect, but I think you're mistaken in believing that a unit with not enough range for it's attacker (meaning the attacker is within maximum gun range, but not within the player's adjusted range) will engage it when fired upon. I quite often have my infantry take a good beating from enemy infantry because other units have spotted it before I thought they would, and they don't return fire. I often reduce their range to only 1 because I am trying to entrap tanks. Now maybe there's an exception to what you say for AFV's but I doubt it. And it's not like my infantry are so damage in the intitial or subsequent attacks that they're incapable of responding dur to suppression. You assessment, evenb if true, is partially incorrect in that it's possible the unit that is intially being fired upon, does not respond due to it not spotting the attacker, but being spotted itself. A good example of this is a unit being fired upon by a sniper - it isn't possible to respond when the attacker isn't seen.

Note also, if you have seen very many infantry battles, just how many of them turn towards their attacker and don't fire. It seems to me that they do so because they just spotted the attacker, which in some cases would mean they should fire back immediately, or, if not then, then the next time they are attacked from the same unit. Note how they also turn towards the rear of the side's forces when they go into that sort of pre-retreat mode (but are actually listed as retreating), where they haven't got around to moving from the original hex. I know that last point sounds a bit goofy if you haven't noticed it, but a lot of time the attacked will face the opposite direction before physically retreating to another hex.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Charles22

Careful guys, as I have heard before on this forum, if you are playing the AI, be aware that the filtering can give you a very significant advantage, as the AI does not have the filtering available.

Something, I might add, rarely heard when WaW opfire confirmation is discussed

Don

[Charles22]

Originally Posted by DRG

Something, I might add, rarely heard when WaW opfire confirmation is discussed

Don

Hmm, I never realized that about SPWAW. So they will fire just as blindly as the SPWW2 rendition, huh? Frankly I got tired of the WAW opfire anyway, as often the unit it picked to do so, was far from being what you would had picked. So WW2's filtering is sort of the same thing, but IMO only better, should one desire an advantage that is. I gets really tiring having to continually deny units that you don't want shooting in SPWAW in opfire.

I bet most people that have played SPWAW would swear the AI does have opfire ability, but it's really hard to tell unless one assumes you would have to see the AI go through more delays in their turn. I mean, I guess that's it isn't it (other than the obvious of knowing the coding, which most do not)? If the AI had opfire, it's turns wouldn't be as quick as they are for any of the other SP's. You sure don't see any red lines being drawn duriing their turn either.

So far as Imp is concerned, I was correct in stating that it is only SPWAW, or at least 'not' SPWW2, which will allow units to fire back (during enemy turn) when fired upon, despite the player reducing their range short of that unit, right? I don't think I have seen this game do that. Either way has it's advantages.