Wishlist Hue city 1967-68 - Page 4

DRG · #1 September 14th, 2017, 04:35 PM

It's set up in my copy of the OOB as a special CS tank pl / sec. WH size is no different than a standard 106mm round and it gets the same ammo loadout as a normal Ontos. Right now the HEK is 33. Date range is 1/67 - 5/69

DRG · #2 September 15th, 2017, 06:08 AM

The "problem" there is the round was only available for the Ontos from 67 -69 so it does not match the in service dates for the 50 or 50A1 so a new unit has to be added anyway. That is why the game OOB has it in a separate CS formation exclusively using the Beehive

Suhiir · #3 September 15th, 2017, 02:05 PM

OK ... THAT is a problem.
Thanks for the dates!

DRG · #4 September 15th, 2017, 05:30 PM

I'm still experimenting with the weapon set up.....busy with RL ATM...

Suhiir · #5 September 15th, 2017, 08:50 PM

Should probably be about the same as the M1028 round used by the Abrams, maybe a bit less, 106mm vs 120mm.

But based on your experiments that may be altered of course.

DRG · #6 September 16th, 2017, 07:04 AM

I'm a bit busy ATM with other things but the lethality ( HEK ) is tricky. I had thought at first around 33 HEK would be fair and while tests showed it gave a healthy dose of suppression and a number of kills per shot it still didn't seem to give the type of effect that was documented

The M1028 while being a larger diameter WH packs in approx 1150 tungsten balls.....the M581 APERS " beehive" for the 106 RR packed in nearly ( depending on the source ) 6- 8 times as many steel Flechettes. They don't have the range of the tungsten balls but there are a lot more of them flying around so that's why experiments are still ongoing.

It won't be an invulnerable wonder weapon as the range of the Flechettes is no more than the range of most rifles generally but the HEK may end up higher than the M1028

Suhiir · #7 September 16th, 2017, 10:39 AM

Interesting that they didn't use flechettes for the M1028 then if they're that much better. Cost I assume. The demo I saw in '75 was one ripping up a bunch of baloons, so not exactly hard to damage targets.

DRG · #8 September 16th, 2017, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Suhiir

Interesting that they didn't use flechettes for the M1028 then if they're that much better. Cost I assume. The demo I saw in '75 was one ripping up a bunch of baloons, so not exactly hard to damage targets.

I think there are a number of factors for going to tungsten balls....one the range is greater, double or thereabouts...another ( and I think this is a big part of why they only lasted a short time) is the propaganda value their use gives the enemy .The Isrealis have had to deal with that when they used them.....one civilian get injured and there is hell to pay
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...p-9617480.html
I think the M1028 is probably.....but I'm only guessing...more "controllable"

Grape shots been used for centuries....little tiny arrows seem to be perceived differently......how that differs in anyway from a suicide vest stuffed with nails I guess depends on what side of the fence you are standing

Suhiir · #9 September 17th, 2017, 12:43 PM

If you're going to revise the map RecruitMonty I'll make an effort to put some time into researching things and maybe between us we can get something done.

RecruitMonty · #10 September 18th, 2017, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Suhiir

If you're going to revise the map RecruitMonty I'll make an effort to put some time into researching things and maybe between us we can get something done.

Alright. My revisions are limited to sorting out the Citadel wall at present. It is now - more or less - continuous and as close to the shape of the real thing as the angle will allow. Of course space being what it is, I've had to zap some of the river hexes and some parts of the villes on the left and right.