Maintenace Value

DavidG · #1 January 12th, 2003, 12:49 AM

So is there a bug in the Maintence value for your racial trait?? I just experimented with this and the results you get are clearly not in line with the values you select. ie you would think that if you choose 110% for maintenance you would be 10% better that a race with the default 100%. But this is not the case!!! Could be why I'm getting my but kicked in a PBW game.

Fyron · #2 January 12th, 2003, 01:00 AM

It isn't a bug, so much as an oversight. That trait lowers the base maintenance, not the maintenance paid.

You can fix it in mods though. Make the base maint. paid be 100%. Give all ship sizes 75% maintenance reduction, and bases 96% (IIRC). Then, 1 point in Maint Redux actually lowers maintenance paid by 1%.

Of course, then you need to raise max level of Maint Redux and lower its cost and raise the threshhold level, as 10% becomes worth less than 500 points. Look at the Pirates and Nomads mod for an example of a mod that fixes the Maint Redux trait.

Krsqk · #3 January 12th, 2003, 06:41 AM

Right now, you get better performance than what the numbers indicate. A 10% increase in your maintenance trait lowers your base rate from 25% to 15%--a 40% improvement. Some mods, including PvK's Balance Mod and SJ's Pirates and Nomads Mod, seek to address this issue.

Fyron · #4 January 12th, 2003, 06:58 AM

Krsqk, the numbers tell you how much it will lower base maintenance. They lower it by exacty what they indicate.

Krsqk · #5 January 13th, 2003, 06:03 AM

To-may-to or to-mah-to?

If you're thinking it lowers it from 25% to 15%, you're right. If you're thinking it lowers your maintenance total by 10%, you're getting a better deal than you think.

Fyron · #6 January 13th, 2003, 06:10 AM

I think that it does say it lowers base maintenance costs somewhere official.

Slick · #7 January 13th, 2003, 06:25 AM

To quote my wife...

"...half of one, six dozen of another, it makes no difference..."

Slick.

DirectorTsaarx · #8 January 14th, 2003, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by DavidG:
So is there a bug in the Maintence value for your racial trait?? I just experimented with this and the results you get are clearly not in line with the values you select. ie you would think that if you choose 110% for maintenance you would be 10% better that a race with the default 100%. But this is not the case!!! Could be why I'm getting my but kicked in a PBW game.

So you think you're getting your butt kicked because everyone else chose to reduce their maintenance costs by 10% (i.e., instead of paying 25% maintenance, only paying 15% maintenance)? Or did you modify the maintenance in the wrong direction (i.e., you're now paying 35% maintenance instead of 25%)?

Fyron · #9 January 15th, 2003, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by Slick:
To quote my wife...

"...half of one, six dozen of another, it makes no difference..."

Slick.

half of one = .5
six dozen of another = 72

You are telling me that .5 and 72 are the same?

I think the correct cliche is "...half dozen of one, six of another, it makes no difference..."

But anyways, the difference between lowering maintenance paid and base maintenance cost is enormous! Assume the maintenance is 1000.

Lower maintenance paid by 10%, you get 900.

Lower base maintenance paid by 10%, you get:
1000 / 0.25 = 4000 (cost of ship)
4000 * 0.15 = 600

That subtle difference of wording makes quite a big difference!

DavidG · #10 January 15th, 2003, 01:26 PM

[quote]Originally posted by DirectorTsaarx:

Quote:

So you think you're getting your butt kicked because everyone else chose to reduce their maintenance costs by 10% (i.e., instead of paying 25% maintenance, only paying 15% maintenance)? Or did you modify the maintenance in the wrong direction (i.e., you're now paying 35% maintenance instead of 25%)?

Well the butt kicking is a bit debatable (and could be due to other factors :-) )but my point was that I never realized the effect of changing your racial maintenance value. I think it is clearly a VERY missleading. IE. I had always assumed that choosing 110% Maintenance trait would mean you are 10% better than normal when in fact it is much much higher. I think all the other traits work that way don't they???

As others have not pointed out the math is like so:
100% value = 25% maintenance
110% value = 15% maintenance

I gather there may be something in the manual somewhere that says this is the way it is but certainly there is nothing to suggest this on the race setup screeen