Dammit

[Arryn]

Boron said:
warcraft 3 was the biggest disappointment i ever had with a game.

That dubious honor, for me, is reserved for MOO3. MOO3 gets [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]

Other notable lemon awards for recent, disappointing, highly-hyped games go to:

Beyond Divinity - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]
Chrome - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]
Lionheart - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]
JA2:Wildfire - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]

Deus Ex: IW - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]
Victoria - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]

But WC3 does earn [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]

[Boron]

Arryn said:
JA2:Wildfire - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]
Victoria - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]

oh what is ja2 : wildfire ?
i loved basic jagged alliance 2 and i even bought 1 expansion disk for it which was not too good but i don't remember the name .

what do you not like with victoria ?
i like paradox games but since i discovered dominions they now seem so inferior

i personally like victoria basically and think it is good but the revolution system is very unpleasant there and stopped me from playing it more .
conquering china is a nightmare
each day lots of revolutions for 10 or 20 years until nationalism is gone
1 division in each province is enough to kill all rebels but with the size of china that are 200+ divisions which are not so easy to achieve in victoria .

eu 2 is a really nice game but too simple and gets boring once you have 100+ provinces .

hoi is great but after researching all techs it becomes boring too and with the stupid convoy / supply system world conquest is hard work there not really enjoyable too .
it is easy but hard / unpleasant work

victoria has enough complexity but the revolution system is just stupid there with daily revolutions .


i am really looking forward to hoi 2 though because i hope it combines all strength of the paradox games .
a victoria without revolutions but dissent like in hoi i would really enjoy

hoi 2 seems to become a good combo of hoi + victoria

[Boron]

p.s.

arryn how long did you play eu 2 , hoi , victoria ?
have you ever finished a wc in any of those 3 ?

i was always bored before i reached that . in hoi i stopped as germany after russia + britain were dead and the usa had no airforce left and was ripe to invasion .
in eu 2 i always stopped after controlling about 150 provinces ( about 2/3 of europe ) because i saw no further challenge .

victoria i haven't played so much because shortly after getting victoria i discovered dominons

[Arryn]

Boron said:
oh what is ja2 : wildfire ?
i loved basic jagged alliance 2 and i even bought 1 expansion disk for it which was not too good but i don't remember the name .

An expansion pack for $20, which is essentially a buggy-as-hell and unsupported-by-anyone mod. You'd do much better, by far, to download the excellent mod Urban Chaos from this site .

Boron said:
what do you not like with victoria ?

The list is long. It begins with the massive lack of documentation for a game that is very complex (much more complex than HoI) and not at all intuitive. It continues with the enormous number of major bugs the game continues to have. And it ends with the fact that underneath it all is the lame Paradox AI which is in all the EU-engined games and that cripples SP play in EU2, HoI, and Victoria. I've condensed my gripes into 3 brief sentences, but the depth of my dislike for the game is much more detailed and lengthy. This isn't the forum for airing such, so I'm trying to spare disinterested readers a long rant on it.

Boron said:
hoi is great but after researching all techs it becomes boring too

It's too easy as a human to conquer the world in HoI SP, even with pathetically small nations, nevermind military/economic powerhouses like Germany. As Germany, I have won "WW2" by the end of 1939, by the end of 1940 I have an empire that would have been the envy of Imperial Rome or Alexander, and by the end of 1941 there is nothing to stop me from total world conquest long before the game's deadline (or anyone else's possible development of atomic weapons, not that even atomic bombs could stop me). The AI is just not even remotely up to the task of handling a game this complex. But to Paradox's credit, they've at least exposed the AI to user modification, which has turned a game that I otherwise would have shelved 2 years ago into something that still resides on my HDD. I wish that IW would do likewise and open up the Dom 2 AI to user modification.