OT (or is it?): American Imperialism

[geoschmo]

The US way of life isn't being "forced" on anybody. If you live in Iraq or Afganistan you could definetly make a case that something is being forced on you by the US, but it's not the US way of life. If you live anywhere else then anything you are getting from the US is being bought, not forced on you.

I am using your terms here, but I don't accept the notion of a US way of life. Americans are not a homogenus group of cultures and political viewpoints. We don't have a master plan to take over the world. Well, not all of use do anyway. Most of us are simply trying to make a living. Some of use make that living selling you cigarettes, cheeseburger and beer. Well, maybe not beer. Nobody but an American would be stupid enough to drink American beer.

[geoschmo]

So is your complaint here about the spread of US influence cultrually and economically around the world, or is your complaint about the military invasion of Iraq? Because they are two totally different things. Arguements for and against both are not interchangable.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

And I do NOT have any objections to people wearing Levi's... it's their choice. But it's the way that the US is promoting itself everywhere it can, patting itself on the back for something that they had no right or reason to do, that did not go so very well, and that is still not exactly finished.

[Yith_Saulkar]

StrategiaInUltima said:
And I do NOT have any objections to people wearing Levi's... it's their choice. But it's the way that the US is promoting itself everywhere it can, patting itself on the back for something that they had no right or reason to do, that did not go so very well, and that is still not exactly finished.

Your confusing "America" with "American Business".
We import Japanese cars by the bucketloads... We buy more foregin cars than domestic I believe. Does that mean the Japanese are trying to push thier "cultural imperialism" on us? No, it is simply international trade and business men trying to make a buck.

Iraq is a total mess. BUT it is not America patting itself on the back. People everywhere in the US still protest our actions there... it is the Bush administration doing the patting. You should see/hear/read the heated debates between the Republicans and the Democrats over the war. Just so happens the Bush supporters are in control of the government right now. Republicans hold majority in both the house and senate so Bush has little opposition to his agenda. So the "American Policy" transmitted to the world is the "Republican/Bush American Policy".

America has the same problem as an overplayed comercial. You get sick of seeing it all the time and end up hateing it.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

I don't smoke (and tobacco commercials are illegal where I live) and I'm a vegetarian (e.g. I drink milk and eat eggs, but I don't eat anything containing the cadavers of animals.).

Ok, so the US "way of life" is not being forced upon us (Europeans). But there are STILL nukes stationed here. Why? The only feasible threats at this moment are Iran and North Korea, and the US have plenty of allies closer to thos countries... why the f*cking hell don't you just GET YOUR F*CKING MISSILESD OUT OF OUR F*CKING COUNTRIES?!?!? WE DON'T WNAT YOUR NUKES!!!!!

(Note: Nothing personal.)

[geoschmo]

StrategiaInUltima said:
But there are STILL nukes stationed here. Why? The only feasible threats at this moment are Iran and North Korea, and the US have plenty of allies closer to thos countries... why the f*cking hell don't you just GET YOUR F*CKING MISSILESD OUT OF OUR F*CKING COUNTRIES?!?!? WE DON'T WNAT YOUR NUKES!!!!!

(Note: Nothing personal.)

Why don't you ask your own elected leaders? I can guarantee you that any nukes would be pulled out of any European country that told the US flatly to remove them. The last thing we want is nuclear weapons sitting in a country that is potetially turning hostile towards us. There is a sizable percentage of Americans, I consider myself one, that thinks the need for large numbers of US military personell stationed in Europe is past. But whenever the idea of bringing those garrisons home is brought up, some of the loudest voices objecting are the governments hosting them and the busineses in those countries that sell things to those soldiers. You want our soldiers there spending their money in your resturants and stores, just don't be bringing your "culture" in here. Leave that on the base thank you very much.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

Ragnarok... it's indeed bull****. The US could also simply place those missiles on nuclear subs RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GULF. They have plenty of nuke subs, so why the [censored] do they need to place ONE HUNDRED AND FRICKING EIGHTY NUKES in Europe? Are they afraid of the possible emerging of the Soviet State of France and Western Europe or something? They have NO REASON - NO REASON AT ALL - to place those nukes on OUR soil. And what if something goes wrong? Who's to blame? I can imagine the US (toto pro pars for Bush):
"The recent nuclear accident was probably the result of either a terrorist attack or negligence on the part of the Europeans that looked after the nukes. For now, we assume that US citizens were not in any way responsible for the accident, other than that they should have kept better watch over the weapons."
And I really think that son of a mother****ing ***** would actually say something like above... and I don't think Europeans are even ALLOWED NEAR those nukes. Almost NOBODY knew about the EIGHTY nukes in my country until someone published an article about it - and immediately one of my country's left-wing parties (the one I support) began openly demanding those nukes to be transferred out of Holland in parliament. Greece has already voted to remove the nukes stationed there, but it is not clear whether or not they HAVE actually been removed.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

I don't think Japan has ever invaded an Islamic country.

Ask our elected leaders? Pah! When the parliament here debated about whether or not to send soldiers to Iraq, over 80% of the population was against it... and they were sent. Some time back, less than 20% of the population supported our Prime Minister.

[NullAshton]

Bush's tern will be over in a little less that 4 years. Everyone in the world will celebrate then.

[TerranC]

StrategiaInUltima said:
I don't think Japan has ever invaded an Islamic country.

Wait 5 years or until OPEC decides to stop selling the world Oil.