SEV: What am I REALY getting for my money?

[Raapys]

Steam hate.

From what I remember, Fyron, wasn't the MoO2 combat system such that the attacker always got to start? I remember eradicating entire Doom Star fleets with a single Doom Star of my own, simply because I always got to start and had massive amounts of plasma cannons. Guess it might have been fixed/balanced in a patch, as I only played it unpatched.

[Renegade 13]

Ringold said:
Last second idea: You know, SiN Episodes found a ton of pirates out by updating through Steam exclusively. If Malfador does the same thing then patches would be more of a pain to distribute. We legitimate customers wouldn't even know a patch occured because it'd happen automagically next time we ran Steam. Pirates on the other hand would flood the message boards revealing themselves all complaining about the bug that was just patched, as happened with SiN. Don't know if thats feasible, random idea though. They want new features and patches, then pay up!

I kind of have to disagree here. For example, the whole idea Steam is based upon assumes the entire user base has constant access to high-speed internet. This is one reason I don't like Steam. I'm stuck with dial-up internet, and really don't have a choice about it until I move to a larger population center. Second reason I don't like Steam is the very fact that you don't have a hardcopy. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I like something physical that shows I own the product, something that isn't just on my computer and in someone's database showing that, yes, I'm allowed to own that product. It opens up a host of potential problems, from people hacking into Steam's database to allow whoever they want to download whatever they want, or even simple database errors which could cause Steam to reject whatever I'm trying to legitimately download.

Sorry for the rant about Steam, it's not really the topic this thread it about!

[Phoenix-D]

Or with Valve deciding to ban you, thus locking out access to *all* your Steam based games, with no appeal possible.

Given how often I've been marked as cheating when I'm NOT, that's not a small concern. (one popular anti-cheat method thinks I'm speedhacking any time I get packet loss, for example)

[Dejavuproned]

Renegade 13 said:

I kind of have to disagree here. For example, the whole idea Steam is based upon assumes the entire user base has constant access to high-speed internet. This is one reason I don't like Steam. I'm stuck with dial-up internet, and really don't have a choice about it until I move to a larger population center. Second reason I don't like Steam is the very fact that you don't have a hardcopy. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I like something physical that shows I own the product, something that isn't just on my computer and in someone's database showing that, yes, I'm allowed to own that product. It opens up a host of potential problems, from people hacking into Steam's database to allow whoever they want to download whatever they want, or even simple database errors which could cause Steam to reject whatever I'm trying to legitimately download.

Sorry for the rant about Steam, it's not really the topic this thread it about!

I have to agree with you whole-heatedly on the steam issue. I for one will be looking in my local EB for SEV (I hope they will carry it) as I hate steam with a passion, the hate was emphisied when I tried to fire up old copy of Day of Defeat one day and steam in its infinate wisdom tells me its already registered to a steam account... OF COURSE IT IS MY FEAKING STEAM ACCOUNT YOU PIECE OF ****. And this was with having a hard copy, which is another thing that I HATE about steam is even if you get HL2 off the store shelf they make you go through steam to access the freaking game! Anyways im just glad it was a game i didnt care to much for, what if it was a game I forked out 60 hard earned dollars for and I liked?

Say no to steam!

(sorry for the rant)

[Dejavuproned]

I dont get this negativity? Why would you pay the money to get SEIV rather then stick to SEIII? It's the same thing only with "a few more features and some graphic improvements" right? SEV is too SEIV what SEIV was too SEIII a an improvment over the previous version, what more do you want? Hell the way people keep complaining about the graphics basically they are saying they want SEIV with a new name and some more features. Without the 3d graphics some of the features *cough*real-time pausable combat *cough* wouldent even be possible so we would be stuck with the same exploitable turnbased combat of SEIV so where would be the improvement in that case?

SEV to me at least looks to improve all aspects of gameplay over SEIV, for some features even going back to what YOU PLAYERS WANTED like the reasearch and intel from SEIII, and giving better visuals too. I for one cant wait!

If you dont want the game, dont buy it, your loss.

[Phoenix-D]

Uh, you can certainly do real-time combat in 2d.

It'd probably be a better deal for the OP if he had bought SE:IV 6 years ago like a lot of us did..

[Dejavuproned]

Maybe you can, but I dont see that working quite as well with 2d pictures as with a 3d engine running it where ships and fighters manuver in realtime. I cant see how you can do with with .gifs. Besides whats wrong with some 3d graphics, I think it will help create a better atmosphere where the universe seems more alive.

But thats just me. Sorry for going off like that but even as a part time poster here (though I lurk here alot) im getting sick of the rediculous negativity to this game.

[Phoenix-D]

Dejavuproned said:
Maybe you can, but I dont see that working quite as well with 2d pictures as with a 3d engine running it where ships and fighters manuver in realtime. I cant see how you can do with with .gifs.

..does the phrase "Warcraft 2" or perhaps "Command and Conquer" ring a bell? Both 2d. 2d has its advantages and disadvantages, but to say it can't do that is just silly.

[Atrocities]

SE IV is not SE V and SE V is a completely differant kind of game from SE IV.. SE V will have 3d combat and RT ground combat whereas SE IV does not. SE IV, in my humble yet illinformed opinion, will remain a solid stand alone alternative game from its younger brother for many years too come.

[Dejavuproned]

Oh I completely agree that SEIV will remain a great game and still played for a long time coming just like SEIII has. Despite the fact that new installments into the series are being made the old ones never die out, thats one of the great things about SE as a whole.