SE5 bad reviews and problems.

[Xrati]

Kana said:

I agree as well...yet I heard of the 50 or so beta testers...about half or more flaked out, which left the rest with a large workload. Plus it seems that most companies now are pre-releasing most game, in some form of public beta test, months before release, to squash bugs, balance game play, and test game engine, and any MP infrastrucure if need for said game. In many instances, Company of Heroes for instance, made the end release a much better game, not mention helped the hype of the game.

SEV could have used a bit more beta testing in my opinon, maybe a slightly large pool of testers other than the initial 50...Yet with MM track record of patching, and listening, and now that this is his so called full time job, he will be able to do it in a more timely fashion than SEIV. So I say play the game to death, find out whats wrong, and report it. The game will become better, and the mods will make it playable for many years to come. Much longer than some other games I've played in the past 6 years.

AT, My comment was based on this information. The modders and "Hard CORE" players would have made excellent testers. To those playtesters who stuck it out, 'Great Job!' They are not the ones I'm talking about. They are still here on this forum and still playing and modding. I meant we just could have used more of them and I still beleive that they should have been chosen better. To those who bailed, well enough said.

[Fyron]

Artaud said:
I sense a growing hostility here toward those of us who are not happy with the way SEV turned out. Some here are sick and tired of listening to us, and the clear message is to sing praise or keep quiet.

Huh? I haven't noticed any such message or hostility.

Sabrax said:
That, my friend, is part of the problem. I personally don't want to pay for a game engine that can be fixed by modders.

I think what he meant was it provides a good engine from which to build all sorts of mods, not that it is incomplete somehow (a bit unbalanced and buggy, yeah, but it has a lot of features in the stock game...).

Combat Wombat
Now there is a game (BF 1942) no one should be buying.

Not to mention the highly featured adware you have to agree to to install it...

[Combat Wombat]

Oh I even forgot about the adware that watches what you do on the internet and gives you _IN GAME_ ads based on it, and they still charge you $50 which is outrageous for all the reasons listed above.

[Atrocities]

Combat Wombat said:
Oh I even forgot about the adware that watches what you do on the internet and gives you _IN GAME_ ads based on it, and they still charge you $50 which is outrageous for all the reasons listed above.

WTH!!! This kind of thing should be stomped to death at inception. I WILL NEVER BUY A GAME that requires you to install adware so they can market content to me while I play their game based upon my on line activities. THIS IS JUST PLAIN WRONG!

No its worse than wrong, its upper case DEAD WRONG AND EVIL!

[RonGianti]

Artaud said:
I sense a growing hostility here toward those of us who are not happy with the way SEV turned out. Some here are sick and tired of listening to us, and the clear message is to sing praise or keep quiet.

I've never seen someone told that they should not give their opinion. I have seen people offer:

1. help with customizing the UI
2. Custom MODs available BEFORE the game was even official
3. Details about Malfador's patch policy, which is great.

Other than that, what help can be expected here from a bunch of guys here on a forum setup for FANS of the game? There are things that will be patched, things that can be modded (or customized, like the UI) and there is the core game, which is pretty much set in stone.

How much validation does someone need if, after all that help, they still dont' like the game? What is the board supposed to do?

[Sabrax]

I honestly did not mean that criticism should be squelched and everyone should sing the praises of se5. I will admit that it has problems. I intended NO hostility toward anyone at all but I do believe that most of the people who love this series do so primarily for the moddabily. The complainning I refered to primarily comes from people who have probably never played the series and jump in (and actually wasn't even on these boards). kwok brought up a good point that the problems do prevent the fanbase from growing to an extent because new players do get put off at first. So I apologize if anyone felt I was being harsh or rude. I know we've all seen a game we thought was ok just needing a little work SLAMMED in forums by people who just expected instant gratification.
Luckily these forums do tend to be open and everyone seems to be well spoken and polite. So to the new players and those put off by the game I would say...have a little patience and give it chance. It will grow on you.

[mac5732]

This Forum has always been open for everyone's opinions, whether is was for, against, or whatever. To say one is tired of hearing complaints on a particular game is an unfair ascertaion to the meaning of this forum. Everyone here is entitled to their opinion. Thats what has made this forum a unique place among forums. We have no flame wars as we respect everyones opinions whether we agree or disagree. What better place to discuss the aspects of various games, the pros and the cons. There have been many discussions on a whole range of games as well as other topics within this forum. Everyone here has a right to put forth their opinion as long as the forum rules are observed. This forum encourages discussion among its members on games and other topics. Not everyone will agree or disagree on any one topic. That is our choice. Therefore, if one dislikes, is dissatified, loves, or becomes addicted to a game he/she has the right to express his/her opion without ridicule. No computer game is perfect, and on the same hand, some games are released to soon and still need work. Where better to discuss the problems, bugs and whatever then here on the forum where everyone is able to put forth their 2 cents. Which in turn can/is relayed to the designers of that particular game. after all, isn't the whole idea to make the game/s better, more playable, and fun for everyone? This can be accomplished by explaining bugs, problems, etc that are found by us the gamers in order to be delivered again to the designers. In addition, sometimes, what some consider to be bugs or flaws, after discussions here on the forum, are found to be just the opposite and have legitimate reasons for doing what they do, or one finds that they were using them wrong or not in the proper way. Without discussion of the pros and cons, some of these complaints would be unnecessarily sent to the designers which would take up constructive time from fixing the actual problems that were found.

This is my opinion and not intended to hurt anyones feelings but to put forth my impressions of what this forum is/has/was and continues to be, a free and constructive forum on all aspects of games and other topics where no one should be afraid to give their opions/feelings/likes/dislikes/ on the topics contained within.

[Dejavuproned]

On a good note, Malfador updated the website, appearently they listened to all the bug reports and reviewed saved games send to them and are releasing a patch accordingly. It is expected on the 6th hopefully.

This is why I never worried about the buggyness of the game, timely patches!

[Desdinova]

mac5732 said:
This Forum has always been open for everyone's opinions, whether is was for, against, or whatever. To say one is tired of hearing complaints on a particular game is an unfair ascertaion to the meaning of this forum. Everyone here is entitled to their opinion. Thats what has made this forum a unique place among forums. We have no flame wars as we respect everyones opinions whether we agree or disagree. What better place to discuss the aspects of various games, the pros and the cons. There have been many discussions on a whole range of games as well as other topics within this forum. Everyone here has a right to put forth their opinion as long as the forum rules are observed. This forum encourages discussion among its members on games and other topics. Not everyone will agree or disagree on any one topic. That is our choice. Therefore, if one dislikes, is dissatified, loves, or becomes addicted to a game he/she has the right to express his/her opion without ridicule. No computer game is perfect, and on the same hand, some games are released to soon and still need work. Where better to discuss the problems, bugs and whatever then here on the forum where everyone is able to put forth their 2 cents. Which in turn can/is relayed to the designers of that particular game. after all, isn't the whole idea to make the game/s better, more playable, and fun for everyone? This can be accomplished by explaining bugs, problems, etc that are found by us the gamers in order to be delivered again to the designers. In addition, sometimes, what some consider to be bugs or flaws, after discussions here on the forum, are found to be just the opposite and have legitimate reasons for doing what they do, or one finds that they were using them wrong or not in the proper way. Without discussion of the pros and cons, some of these complaints would be unnecessarily sent to the designers which would take up constructive time from fixing the actual problems that were found.

This is my opinion and not intended to hurt anyones feelings but to put forth my impressions of what this forum is/has/was and continues to be, a free and constructive forum on all aspects of games and other topics where no one should be afraid to give their opions/feelings/likes/dislikes/ on the topics contained within.

THIS FORUM is a very open minded, helpful and cooperative one. If this forum was the "Official Forum" it would be better, unfortunately the people new to the game are going to go to the official site. I know several of you visit the other site and help where you can but it may not be enough to really help sell the idea to wait for the patches and give the game a chance. REMEMBER what happened with moo3! admittedly it did not have the support this does but if the people do not know about the mods and other items this forum has that are not posted on the "official" one then the game may not be the success it has the potential to be.

I know way to wordy and roundabout but i have not slept lately. yawn. just my 2 cents worth.