Attempting to improve the AI for Proportions 3.05 - Page 4

Ironmanbc · #1 January 3rd, 2007, 09:22 PM

I have played a bit of Proportions Pvk and now that have Se5 I'm playing it

the only thing that is really wrong with it is this

Name := Basic Life Support
Description := Mechanical means to generate a livable atmosphere on a starship. This system is not built for compactness, or to withstand battle damage, but is less difficult to manufacture.
Pic Num := 5
Tonnage Space Taken := 15
Tonnage Structure := 1
Cost Minerals := 100
Cost Organics := 100
Cost Radioactives := 0
Vehicle Type := Ship\Base
Supply Amount Used := 0
Restrictions := None
General Group := Vehicle Control
Family := 3
Roman Numeral := 0
Custom Group := 0
Number of Tech Req := 3
Tech Area Req 1 := Ship Construction
Tech Level Req 1 := 4
Tech Area Req 2 := Ship Construction
Tech Level Req 2 := 4
Tech Area Req 3 := Ship Construction
Tech Level Req 3 := 4
Number of Abilities := 1
Ability 1 Type := Ship Life Support
Ability 1 Descr := Contains life support.
Ability 1 Val 1 := 0
Ability 1 Val 2 := 0
Weapon Type := None

and a few other things like the shields in the wrong order in the list but thats ok.

PvK · #2 January 4th, 2007, 12:31 PM

Quote:

ironmanbc said:
I have played a bit of Proportions Pvk and now that have Se5 I'm playing it

the only thing that is really wrong with it is this

Name := Basic Life Support
Description := Mechanical means to generate a livable atmosphere on a starship. This system is not built for compactness, or to withstand battle damage, but is less difficult to manufacture.
Pic Num := 5
Tonnage Space Taken := 15
Tonnage Structure := 1
Cost Minerals := 100
Cost Organics := 100
Cost Radioactives := 0
Vehicle Type := Ship\Base
Supply Amount Used := 0
Restrictions := None
General Group := Vehicle Control
Family := 3
Roman Numeral := 0
Custom Group := 0
Number of Tech Req := 3
Tech Area Req 1 := Ship Construction
Tech Level Req 1 := 4
Tech Area Req 2 := Ship Construction
Tech Level Req 2 := 4
Tech Area Req 3 := Ship Construction
Tech Level Req 3 := 4
Number of Abilities := 1
Ability 1 Type := Ship Life Support
Ability 1 Descr := Contains life support.
Ability 1 Val 1 := 0
Ability 1 Val 2 := 0
Weapon Type := None

and a few other things like the shields in the wrong order in the list but thats ok.

Thanks ironmanbc. All feedback is helpful. However in these two cases, these are things done to help the AI:

* The extra tech-level requirements are inserted as a hint to the AI that the component is a good version to choose to satisfy a tech level requirement. For the Basic Life Support you list, this is because it's the most efficient version in terms of cost (if not in terms of structure or size). (I think listing the requirement multiple times gets the AI to prefer the component, but I could be wrong or it could have changed due to SE4 patches.)

* The mixing of the order in which shields are listed is also intentional and for the AI's benefit. In this case, it causes the AI to upgrade in the order listed. This corrects the AI bug/stupidity where it will replace all strong standard shield generators with Phased Shield Generator Mark I as soon as it is available, even though this isn't generally the best thing to do.

PvK

PvK · #3 January 29th, 2007, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Arralen said:
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The requested URL /pvk/proportions/OlegsProportionsAIs.zip was not found on this server.

Ok, I found a backup and restored the file.

I also got my SE4 computer's hard drive online on another computer and scanned it for disk problems and for viruses, and found no problems... so why it refuses to boot Win98SE on the other box is still a mystery.

PvK

Ironmanbc · #4 March 6th, 2007, 10:37 AM

If anyone was wondering what happened to me two words GUILD WARS

I just looked in to see if ver. 3.07 was done yet

PvK · #5 January 5th, 2007, 04:08 AM

Thanks.

Arralen · #6 January 5th, 2007, 02:31 PM

I hope there will be a version 3.07 with fully working AI for SE4 - that would be way cooler ..

PvK · #7 January 6th, 2007, 11:45 PM

Ya, I agree.

PvK · #8 January 17th, 2007, 04:39 PM

Status update: I looked for the backup with the Oleg AI pack and haven't found it yet (I know I have it on at least one backup though). I did have the actual AI's installed on my main SE4 computer, but before I could extract them into a new version of the pack, my computer suffered some kind of evil breakdown which I haven't had time to analyze and repair.

PvK

dogscoff · #9 January 23rd, 2007, 06:45 AM

Just FYI...

I started a single player, 255-system game with the latest version of Proportions and my colonising neutral files installed. I had "not all warp points connected" and as a result found myself in a small disconnected cluster with no other races present. Rush-researched warp-openers (only took me 180-odd turns), introduced myself to the galaxy at large, and found the AI to be doing very nicely, thankyou very much.

~turn 200, the Jraenar are running around with some pretty formidable ripper beam/ basic laser+JP engine ships, the Praetorians have a multi-system empire and several fleets of 30+ warships, and the Texrak have colonised another world in their homesystem. I've yet to encounter anyone else.

Since I've been concentrating on non-military research, my best (only) warships have just Ion engine III and meson blaster II... gonna be an interesting game. I could win it easily by holing up and resaearching/building at leisure, but I think for a challenge I will go for a more aggressive approach and see if ai can grab and hold some worlds from the Jraenar, while encouraging the Praetorian to declare on me=-)

PvK · #10 July 16th, 2008, 02:20 AM

So, I have been getting back into modding... and getting a lot done modding Dominions 3.

I am entertaining the idea of hitting Proportions mod again, but right now I'm trying to get to a release point for a magic rebalancing mod for Dominions, which is a major task but I'm actually getting somewhat close to having a version 1.0 complete. No promises, though.