Summoning vs Forging - Page 2

RamsHead · #1 May 18th, 2007, 06:56 PM

I believe Iron Dragons are mindless, so they will be ignored for Enslave Mind.

Sensori · #2 May 18th, 2007, 07:42 PM

Yeah, Enslave Mind, Soul Slay and the works will work only on the commander-type. And then... There's a whole plethora of things that work on the Iron Dragons. All the things that work on Lifeless things (like Shatter), all things that work on Magical things (like Opposition, Unraveling). Storm kills their flying ability.

Sure, they rock people's socks off if they haven't had the time to prepare, but they aren't that hot when they are ready. :/

Shovah32 · #3 May 18th, 2007, 08:09 PM

What IS good against a ready opponent?

MaxWilson · #4 May 19th, 2007, 04:50 PM

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Sensori said:
Yeah, Enslave Mind, Soul Slay and the works will work only on the commander-type. And then... There's a whole plethora of things that work on the Iron Dragons. All the things that work on Lifeless things (like Shatter), all things that work on Magical things (like Opposition, Unraveling). Storm kills their flying ability.

Sure, they rock people's socks off if they haven't had the time to prepare, but they aren't that hot when they are ready. :/

Point taken. I tested this out with a Wraith Lord + 9 Iron Dragons vs. 10-15 Ktonian necromancers w/ 25 PD and 30-odd troops (since LA Agartha is my flavor of the month) casting Shatter, Banefire, and Petrify. The Iron Dragons killed all the troops, zero mages, and died to a man. That's good to know in case anyone ever rushes me with Iron Dragons.

My current nightmare is now a Tartarian who casts Rain of Stones on the first round of combat, accompanied by 9 Iron Dragons.

I suppose the defender bonus of going first, together with Ironskin, would probably get me through, though.

-Max
Very fond of petrify at the moment

Wish · #5 May 19th, 2007, 04:04 PM

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RamsHead said:
I believe Iron Dragons are mindless, so they will be ignored for Enslave Mind.

but not "control" which is less research and easier to cast. It really pisses me off when I lose an SC to "control"

Archonsod · #6 May 18th, 2007, 08:18 PM

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I mean, to fit out a proper SC/Thug, it seems like it costs many extra gems, and a lot of extra mage time in forging.

You don't have to make them into a thug. Great returns can be had by (for example) summoning one of the stealthy types with some nasty side effect (causes disease), then giving them an item to increase or add to this effect (bane venom charm).
Send them off to skulk around your opponents research base, or just have them tail the pretender and similar to wreak havoc.