The New Hinnom Nation

[LDiCesare]

I made a small test where Hinnom's sacreds with a moderate bless (E6N4, earth was for the mages but it's not really useful) ate everyone else. I ran them into T'ien Ch'i with a F9W9 bless and T'ien Ch'i couldn't do anything against them. Considering I don't know how to play Hinnom yet and managed to get some respectable results wiht EA TC in MP, I tend to believe the nation is overpowered. Their sacreds and chariots are very very powerful, and with Growth 3 it took some time for the population to dwindle. And even then, population didn't fall low enough to be a concern.
I'd like to point out that the Ammi can be built without a lab, which is a little advantage compared to the rest, but it's really silly to be able to build a lvl2 mage without a lab.

[MaxWilson]

LDiCesare said:
I made a small test where Hinnom's sacreds with a moderate bless (E6N4, earth was for the mages but it's not really useful) ate everyone else. I ran them into T'ien Ch'i with a F9W9 bless and T'ien Ch'i couldn't do anything against them. Considering I don't know how to play Hinnom yet and managed to get some respectable results wiht EA TC in MP, I tend to believe the nation is overpowered.

What does EA T'ien Ch'i usually do against Niefelheim? It seems that the counters which work against Niefel Jarls are likely to work against Avvite Charioteers and Melqartim. (In a general sense. Frozen Heart will replace Incinerate.) Or is Niefelheim >> TC?

Edit: a thought. I suppose T'ien Ch'i probably uses Fire Arrows against Niefelheim, which isn't going to work well against Hinnom. Destruction/Iron Bane seems like a good idea, though.

-Max

[Twan]

hunt11 said:
This is how I see the spell. The Rephiam are just paying for their grandparents to visit, it's just that their grandparents are very powerful demons, and they need to sacrifice virgins instead of paying for a ticket.

Grigori descriptions say the gods have jailed them, they are trapped in chains and magical bonds etc... so it isn't that mundane.

It leads me to another idea to balance grigoris : a global other nations may cast to strengthen their bonds and make them not summonable as long it isn't dispelled - or a more funny one : a global making the call grigori 177b spell call gregorius like a puny wish -.

(or if wasting a global slot for that is too much, a generic global blocking all national summons above level x, or all endgame blood summons, or all unique summons)