What SC do you wish for?

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

The RoW bug is great for diversifying Ashdod's magic--you can do cross-path stuff like forge the Ark. I can't imagine that it would be a big deal on a SC though, because you don't have time to cast all the buffs it enables. My typical Chayot script is

Divine Blessing
Body Ethereal
Personal Luck
Resist Magic
[Astral Shield]

I can imagine dropping Astral Shield in favor of Invulnerability or something, but you lose a misc slot and pay an extra 36 gems for the RoW. To me this isn't worth it.

-Max

Max,
Do you recall if after the ROW the stats are boosted? I don't.
Ie., is prot boosted by E? MR by S?

Also, if you twiceborn a Chayot with a ROW what magic paths are retained?

[MaxWilson]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Max,
Do you recall if after the ROW the stats are boosted? I don't.
Ie., is prot boosted by E? MR by S?

Also, if you twiceborn a Chayot with a ROW what magic paths are retained?

S doesn't boost MR. I don't recall whether RoW boosts Prot from E (although a boost of 1 is pretty negligible anyway). Edi has reported that Chayot and Seraphim do not receive a boost to their natural FireShield effect from extra F, so it's possible that they're also weird about other misc effects like Prot from E.

I've never twiceborned Chayot (who empowers Chayot in Death anyway?), but I should mention that I happen to know that Phoenix Pyring Chayot stops them from shapechanging upon death (i.e. if you die w/ more than 100 fatigue, you just die instead of becoming the next Chay form).

-Max

[Ornedan]

Somewhat back to the original topic of the thread: What good SC chassis can be wished underwater? I'm going for a Wish end-game with a water nation, but noticed my pretender chassis, which I planned on be the one casting Wish, can't ever get out of the water (Scared Statue. Whoops).

[MaxWilson]

Vastness is an entertaining SC, if you have 50 earth gems to burn on empowerment. And it's amphibious so you can wish for it underwater.

-Max

[rdonj]

Can't a sacred statue just teleport out of the water? Even aquatic beings can teleport out of the water if given an amulet of the fish.

[Endoperez]

The point is that the slaves can't attack if the master(s) keeps casting spells after the buffs. A single Paralyze will stop one enemy and ALL of your communion-thugs!

[MaxWilson]

Originally Posted by Endoperez

The point is that the slaves can't attack if the master(s) keeps casting spells after the buffs. A single Paralyze will stop one enemy and ALL of your communion-thugs!

So you're saying it *is* a linebacker communion? Then why are the masters all casting the same buffs? Also, why are the slaves set *behind* the masters? Shouldn't they be placed forward so they're in position to attack?

The solution for the problem you cite is to either

1.) make the masters attack too (they're not as uberbuffed, but it's simpler so I usually do this),

2.) give the master a crossbow and set him to Fire, or

3.) have a master cast Blink. Soul Vortex + Fire Shield can kill things even if the slaves are sitting there passively because a master cast a spell. I've never tried #3 but it's at least potentially a real use for Blink.

-Max

[Endoperez]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

So you're saying it *is* a linebacker communion? Then why are the masters all casting the same buffs? Also, why are the slaves set *behind* the masters? Shouldn't they be placed forward so they're in position to attack?

It seems this isn't the thread I thought I was replying in. I thought I was answering to a question about using crossbows in a communion, instead of a question about the purpose of a spesific communion.

I think I'll go sleep now, before I do something weird again.

[HoneyBadger]

This thread always gives me the desire to have a bunch of exclusively wishable SC's in the game. If I had my way, this feature of the Wish spell would be replaced by a separate high level spell that could be used to wish for a broad selection of SCable chassis that you couldn't otherwise get with any other spell, Nation, summon, or magic site.

Making every unit in the game Wishable just seems to cause problems, anyway. That's why we have Grigori in the game, afterall. Why allow one Nation to wish for the hero or the god of another Nation? It seems forced, and the same chassis seem to be wished for, over and over. Besides, it kind of erodes the specialness of Pretenders if you can just wish for one, collecting them like trading cards.

[Gregstrom]

In response to 2: You only need base F1S1 on the communion masters, which puts them firmly in the disposable category.