OT: US Pres election

[Gandalf Parker]

Amazing. We have again crossed another nations border for our own purposes. "Oh we arent attacking YOU, we are just taking out this building because we didnt like what it was used for." Apparently to take out 8 people.

There is no way we would stand for Mexico or Canada or Russia or Britain or any of our other neighbors sending military troops into our territory to attack in force. Much less some country from the other side of the world.

[Edratman]

The small things can be very significent.

On last nights evening NBC News, the reporter "embedded" (I hate that term) with the McCain campaign said the following:

"I am here in Defiance, Ohio, where John McCain held his latest political rally. The announced attendance was 6000 people, predominately comprised of school children bussed here for the event. McCain said .....".

[Azselendor]

Why are you guys acting like syria liked america before the missile strikes?

The entire things reminds me of Bush Sr in the run up against Clinton when he announced he was sending carriers to the persian gulf as if there was some serious threat of war was about to come to a head.

Of course, the goal was to divert attention from Clinton's message and to his lack of foreign policy by crying the wolves were at the gates. In the end, faced with a choice between Iraq and Economic Health, America chose the economy.

[Gandalf Parker]

It is amazing how many conflicts we got into just in time for the election debates.

[Bwaha]

Yes, very Orwellian. We are such chumps. Ambassador Gallespi told Saddam that we had no interest in inter-Arab disputes before gulf war 1. Then afterwards we bombed Iraq thru Bush Sr, Clinton, and shrub. Lets see thats at least 12 years of bombing them. I would be very angry to be bombed for one. Lets get out now, I don't want one more cent spent on this travesty. Or one more drop of blood. On either side. I know this would leave a power vacuum in this region, But I don't care. No more adventures for us. Lets just go back to the Triad system of defense. Worked in the past, will work now...

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by Bwaha

Lets get out now, I don't want one more cent spent on this travesty. Or one more drop of blood. On either side. I know this would leave a power vacuum in this region, But I don't care.

The sad part is, had we removed Hussein and then IMMEDIATELY withdrawn, it would have cause far less strife and pain than it would if we withdraw now.

However, our failure to perform the mission as a swift and surgical procedure doesn't mean that leaving now would be worse than leaving later.

It would be nice if the UN had a policy of removing the most disgusting of tyrants - a vacuum is better than a cancer - but to do so without open-ended occupation.

[Gandalf Parker]

Hell if we had not gone in at all and left Hussein in power it would have been less strife and pain. Granted he was a horrible dictator but far more Iraqi have suffered more horribly under the present conditions than had under him. The most we can say is that we made it more fair. Everyone suffers equally.

And the UN does have a policy for taking out the worst tyrants. But beware what you wish for. The world in general does not necessarily agree with your idea of who is or isnt a tyrant.

And the UN will never agree that a vacuum is better.

[Azselendor]

You know it's a cold day in hell when the US is getting dirty in a country that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

[archaeolept]

by "cold day in hell" i take it you mean what the rest of us call "tuesday"?

[Gandalf Parker]

The key point being "a country that doesn't really matter".
It does seem as though the ideals spoken of in the US involvements only seem to come into play in certain worldly incidents. Mostly those of money benefits to the US.