Mod New Nation: Dragons, Magic Incarnate V1.01 - Page 12

Aezeal · #1 December 1st, 2008, 06:08 AM

2 attacks, can still put 3 on a square, some prot, decent HP and strength there should be plenty of use for them... well at least that is what I was thinking..

rdonj · #2 December 1st, 2008, 07:33 AM

The problem is they're just too expensive to use as throwaway chaff. And I don't know that dragons need chaff to begin with. If you're worried about lances - kill the cavalry before it can attack. If you're worried about archers, all you can really do with wyrmlings is make sure they take the first volley. Magic you just can't stop, if you want to protect against it you need buffs. You could probably use them for other purposes as they don't actually have bad stats, they are just expensive for what you get.

Loren · #3 December 1st, 2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rdonj

The problem is they're just too expensive to use as throwaway chaff. And I don't know that dragons need chaff to begin with. If you're worried about lances - kill the cavalry before it can attack. If you're worried about archers, all you can really do with wyrmlings is make sure they take the first volley. Magic you just can't stop, if you want to protect against it you need buffs. You could probably use them for other purposes as they don't actually have bad stats, they are just expensive for what you get.

Exactly. The only remotely possible use is chaff to draw the first volley and I simply haven't seen the need. At least in SP archers simply don't do enough in the first volley to matter.

Aezeal · #4 December 6th, 2008, 05:37 AM

ah well whatever in the base game there are enough troops that never get used, they wyrmlings are there for thematic reasons and if noone wants them then thats fine

It's pretty much a given thing for me that I usually play iwth 1-2 unit types for most races anyway

Aezeal · #5 December 6th, 2008, 05:40 AM

So except for the vine dragon pic all other dragons work now? Has someone been able to test all ancient ones yet

Aezeal · #6 December 6th, 2008, 09:30 AM

So 1.01 is out, vine dragon pic is changed (the colors where good but it had an alhpa channel.. no idea how it got there)
I changed the mamga dragon attack sprite a bit too (less black)

I also adjusted a few small things.. the strength of the bonebiter was 29 (instead of the 19 it is now) and hopefully the battle spells a few dragons have work now.

Have fun

rdonj · #7 December 7th, 2008, 11:29 AM

I still haven't gotten to the final summons in my game yet. I'm playing about a dozen sp games at the moment and the turns in my dragon game are a bit daunting, I'm constantly shuffling around my entire army to deal with ermor pretty much :P

The change you made to strength is going to be pretty significant, I don't think it will be nearly as easy for the dragons to steamroll people now.

Aezeal · #8 December 7th, 2008, 02:25 PM

hmm when I saw it it was obvious it was a mistake.. strenght (like all stats) scales with their "age" and while combat dragons have relative high strenght for their agegroup this wasn't correct at all (only the most powerfull dragons have strength 29.. the strengh of the recruitable troops is all below 20.. only a few commanders have higher strength.. I've also deleted one of their attacks (instead of 2 AP claws he now has 1 whiptail non armour piercing.) It could very well be that in combination with the higher price he's totally overpriced now... then the steel dragons or wyrmlings can be an alternative though.. i doubt the nation as a whole will be underpowered that easy so it can be balanced back later.

Against ermor.. well it will probably always be a weaker spot for the nation with not much access to priests early on.

Aezeal · #9 December 15th, 2008, 02:41 PM

So it sounds like the army is somewhat balanced now and only the ghostdragons need to be changed a bit... the assassination ability should be worth quite a bit on a stronger chassis.. and while the ghost dragon is pretty weak for dragon standards I guess his price needs to go up quite a bit.

Loren · #10 December 15th, 2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Aezeal

So it sounds like the army is somewhat balanced now and only the ghostdragons need to be changed a bit... the assassination ability should be worth quite a bit on a stronger chassis.. and while the ghost dragon is pretty weak for dragon standards I guess his price needs to go up quite a bit.

Yeah, although if you take away the assassination I suspect the race is too weak and would need strengthening somewhere. The assassination is the only thing that's allowed me to survive.

Farther into the game, some more thoughts:

1) The Wave Dragon should be summonable underwater.

2) I'm strongly inclined to think the Death Wraith dragon should have assassination capability. It looks so much like an upgraded Ghost dragon that it seems strange it doesn't retain the assassination power.

3) I think the summons need some organization as to the paths they have and what it takes to summon them. I don't like the fact that more than one of them can't be obtained without using empowerment/wishing (Although, admittedly, the Fate dragon can wish with boosters alone) or else putting a lot of magic on your pretender.

4) I'm inclined to say the elder dragons are underpriced.