Timewarp! - Game is live!

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by Slobby

General:
(in fact this time you resigned even before I could reply to your post!)

Actually, as you know that last bits not true; I sent an email to you, you made a choice, and responded to my email.

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Slobby, you make it sound as if the 24h deadline has been rigorously enforced, when in fact it hasn't. Not counting the llama delay, the game was delayed on the at least 3 times going back through the threads.

I got interested in resigning when you arbitrarily delayed the game 3 days without word or explanation, till after the fact.

I grant that I signed up for a 24 hour game. But processing times that vary wildly and unpredictably do not make it easier.

And you never answered the question -why *not* just rerun the turn.

When I have hosted (and a thankless job it is - so kudos to you for that), I find the critical question is - what is the best course of action *for the game*.

So things I think are critical are:

-Explaining whats going on, when theres a delay.
-If a turn crashes explaining, asking for opinions on how to deal with it, and then explain the decision you made.
-Once you make a decision, try to apply it consistently.
-Make decisions that damage the game the least. I think thats the critical point.

So, in this particular instance, I think the game is damaged by having three staling positions, especially with a plausible reason why.

I also think that having a substitute play a position, damages the game, because the substitute presumably will not know how the pretenenders and dominion were optimized, why the research was done in the way it was etc.

Now it could be that there were huge game issues; reasons to not rerun the turn. But without an explanation it just seems you chose not to, because you didn't *want* to.

Anyway, thanks for setting up the game. Good luck & good gaming

[Slobby]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Actually, as you know that last bits not true; I sent an email to you, you made a choice, and responded to my email.

Quote from Chris's pm to me: But without a roll back, I'm not interested in playing the game - so I will just resign the position.

I received this before I had any chance to respond to his post.

Do not call me a liar good sir.

*If you want to discuss this further pm me. This will be my last reply to you in this thread on this subject.

[Unoptimized]

Hey chris! I'm playing LA Mid, and I am here. Things have just been busy with work, so I have not been able to post as much as I would like.

[PsiSoldier]

Yeah I dont know what happened but I staled this last turn too.. I know I did the turn, in fact it was when I commented in the game thread about the patch changing things for me and I thought I sent the turn in but somehow something must have gotten screwed up because it says I staled.

I'd certainly like to have a roll back but if not I guess I'll just consider the gold earned from last turn to be money I can spend on a new fort.

A roll back would be my preference but I'll live either way.

[llamabeast]

I have no idea about this game, but it is worth mentioning that rollbacks should generally be avoided except in extreme circumstances. I've written quite a long ramble about why on the LlamaServer - if you click on admin options for any game and select to do a rollback, you can see my essay. Despite its presence people frequently do rollbacks and frequently rather regret it.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by llamabeast

I have no idea about this game, but it is worth mentioning that rollbacks should generally be avoided except in extreme circumstances. I've written quite a long ramble about why on the LlamaServer - if you click on admin options for any game and select to do a rollback, you can see my essay. Despite its presence people frequently do rollbacks and frequently rather regret it.

I totally agree, after having seen the terrible results firsthand, and secondhand a few times now. :P

Though, I would argue that technically in this sort of situation it's not such a big issue, as I don't think anyone has initiated intra-player hostilities yet, we're just a few turns in. On the other hand, I also understand Slobby's stated position on the matter as well. Sometimes you're soft, sometimes you're hard, but most times someone will be dissatisfied either way you go, so you make the call and move on.....

[PsiSoldier]

Ok, I was actually about to take out Tien Chi's capital when wksdsl took over to sub for TC So instead of taking the poor guy out on his first turn Ive teamed up with him to show him the ropes in MP, I think this is his first MP game. He really wouldn't have had any chance any other way starting off with only one province (under siege at that) and 20 troops at this point in the game So I am giving him some of my Land to help him out too.

I might have been better off just taking his capital getting another fort and several more gems per turn but then he'd have just wasted his time agreeing to sub and all that.

[Executor]

Very noble of you. Maybe you could "lend" me a couple of provinces?

[lwarmonger]

Indeed. The undead need living space! Wait a minute...

[Executor]

LA Ermor? We consume the living and the dead,stay away.