OT: US President (US Dom Players only)

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by rdonj

I may be misunderstanding the question here, but aren't you not a taxpayer if you don't pay taxes? That being the case, I don't see a conflict with these numbers are they are completely unrelated.

TAX-Payer. TAX*payer* tax PAYER. I don't know how else to say it.. No, if you are not paying taxes you are not a TAX PAYER.

Also, please address konming's posted birth certificates and why we should give any credence to unsubstantiated rumors spread about a candidate in a presidential election?

I did address konmings birth certificate, post. providing a document on the internet is *not* the same as providing it in court. Anyone can easily make a fake b.c. using photoshop. Providing one in court allows its authenticity to be verified.

I am not saying, (nor have I ever been) Obama isn't a US citizen.

I'm saying:

A). It was bad politics to squash the question on procedural issues. Provide a copy of the birth certificate - it ends the question definitively.

Whereas stonewalling on releasing birth certificate et.al feeds the frenzy.

B). Proving that you are eligible for the job should be part of the PAC formation. Right now according to the FEC, they are not responsible for verifying credentials. According to state of florida, Division of elections.. it is the responsibility of each of the counties subcommitties under the executive committe of the political party.

In other words, the democratic party is responsible for verifying that barack is eligible and the republican party for mccain.

[rdonj]

TAX-Payer. TAX*payer* tax PAYER. I don't know how else to say it.. No, if you are not paying taxes you are not a TAX PAYER.

Yes, that was my point. So, either the 38% who don't pay taxes and the 95% who would theoretically get a tax break are completely unrelated ideas, or perhaps you are saying that because 38% of people are not paying taxes it is impossible to give a tax cut to said 95% of taxpayers. Or is it something else entirely? I honestly can't tell, sorry.

Thank you for clarifying the birth certificate thing, I am satisfied with this answer.

[licker]

You seriously think that in todays global economy taxing people at 90% is a good idea?

[Mithras]

I think jeff means the top 10% of the population paying 90% of the total taxes which is possible as the top 10% owns a good amount of the wealth, something like 40-60% in 2001 I can remember doing some economics work on it... anyway to tiredfor arguing

[MaxWilson]

Originally Posted by Ironhawk

Note to Mods: Please do not move this thread! I dont care about shrapnel players as a whole, I just want to know what dominions players think.

If you are a US citizen who is capable of voting, I'm curious to know how you are going to vote for in the upcoming presidential elections. I think it will be really interesting to see the pattern of the dominions community.

Presidential? After some vacillating, I settled on my pick while in the voting booth. McCain has annoyed me enough recently with his breathless hyperventilating that I had considered voting for a third party candidate, and I could live with Obama (there are some upsides), but I finally decided to vote against socialism and for nuclear power. So, McCain/Palin.

-Max

P.S. So, has anyone written up stats for a Barack Obama pretender yet? I'm thinking archmage stats, built-in A1 + pathcost 30, add Awe +3. 50 points.

[thejeff]

No, I actually mean a top marginal rate of 90%.
Starting with income somewhere north of 10 million, maybe. And marginal rate, so only income above the 10 million is taxed at the highest rate. Lower rates below that until you reach the current max 35%? somewhere around 1/4 million.

Also changing the capital gains rate to a progressive structure, with a large exemption so those living off of retirement savings aren't hurt. It makes no sense to tax those just sitting back watching their money grow less than those working for a living.

I'd really be happy with something in the 70% range.

Again, this didn't destroy our economy last time we tried it. In fact we had the healthiest middle class we've ever had in this country.

Note that this is still far from socialism, more like FDR through Eisenhower & up to JFK. And far more radical than anything that scary socialist Obama is going to try.

[licker]

And you still think the global market and investment conditions are the same as a century ago?

You are right though, it isn't socialism, it's insanity.

[thejeff]

Originally Posted by licker

And you still think the global market and investment conditions are the same as a century ago?

You are right though, it isn't socialism, it's insanity.

No, obviously the global conditions are not the same as 50 years ago.
So what?
What has changed that makes higher taxes on the top 1% or so, completely insane?
Why do those differences lead to that conclusion?

What horrible consequences do you see?

"Things are different now, that can't work" isn't an argument.

[Aezeal]

I think it's completely idiotic to be discussing the birthcertificate... you shouldn't win on technicalities... but the world these days is like that and I accept that.. so does mcCain I'd say and his lawyers.. if there was more than just rumours there they'd have cracked down on it instead of just passing the rumours, it'd be blown out of proportion.

IT's just republican fanatic wishfull thinking and gossip.

I've been pretty used to seeing american make the wrong (my opinion yes) choice and I'd not be surprised if they'd do it again but pplz who keep bringing this up are just idiots

[licker]

Point being those people will simply not have their money in the US for *any* of it to be taxed.