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Lingchih · #1 November 5th, 2008, 01:48 AM

Woo Hoo! Obama is president.

sum1lost · #2 November 5th, 2008, 01:55 AM

Honestly, I didn't see very much of evil mccain that many seemed to. His running mate was far nastier than he was, and he continuously got in arguments with her and some of his campaign advisors about lines that he would draw on what was acceptable. He seemed fairly honorable through most of the campaign, even if elements of his campaign were less so.

Lingchih · #3 November 5th, 2008, 02:01 AM

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Honestly, I didn't see very much of evil mccain that many seemed to. His running mate was far nastier than he was, and he continuously got in arguments with her and some of his campaign advisors about lines that he would draw on what was acceptable. He seemed fairly honorable through most of the campaign, even if elements of his campaign were less so.

McCain was an honorable man. Perhaps he still is. But he fell into the trap of the Republican party. It was his downfall.

DonCorazon · #4 November 5th, 2008, 01:57 AM

Free at last, thank god almighty, free at last!!!!!

Tichy · #5 November 5th, 2008, 02:14 AM

lwarmonger,

I readily concede that Obama used standard negative campaign tactics, such as interpreting McCain's policies in a bad light and then using that voice and that music in the ad with the grainy shot of the opponent. (Who is that woman that does "negative" voice in every dang ad? I think she showed up in ads for both Obama and McCain). McCain did the same.

But he and his camp also stooped to really scurrilous character attacks, "he's a marxist", "he's a radical", "he's not a 'real american'", "he has secret connections to terrorists," etc. That stuff was beyond the pale. It got him exactly what it should have gotten any candidate who stoops to it.

I felt badly for him. Much of the time he seemed so angry because he couldn't believe his handlers had him saying that junk. I interpreted part of his concession speech as repudiating that aspect of his own campaign...shushing the boos.

Trumanator · #6 November 5th, 2008, 02:42 AM

Well I doubt 95% of taxpayers make under 250k, or whatever the real number was.

Obama did associate with pseudo-marxist organizations, namely ACORN and to a lesser extent his church. He did remain in contact with Ayers until
2006, he does come from an intellectual tradition that tends to blame America first and always. I'm hoping the best for him, but I do think McCain's ads were true from a certain, exaggerated point of view. It really was on both sides. Obama alleged that McCain couldn't use a computer, it was steadily implied that he would probably die or go senile in office. I think that campaigns are dirty by their nature, and everyone condemns it, but it is not the property of one single party.

Tichy · #7 November 5th, 2008, 09:29 AM

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Obama did associate with pseudo-marxist organizations, namely ACORN and to a lesser extent his church. He did remain in contact with Ayers until
2006, he does come from an intellectual tradition that tends to blame America first and always.

ACORN's not "pseudo-marxist." In fact I'm really not sure what "pseudo-marxist" is. You're either for the dictatorship of the proletariat and the destruction of the bourgeoisie or you're against it. Last I checked, Obama was against it. ACORN doesn't even have a stated position on taxes or the economy in general. Their focus is housing for low income people. The voter registration stuff spun out of that.

Ayers is a distinguished professor of education at U. Illinois Chicago. He and Obama served on a board about education reform (the Annenberg project) that had republican funding. Apparently he wasn't too much of a terrorist to get invited to sit on that board, or to be declared Chicagoan of the year in 1997 for his work on it. I'm not denying that they're acquaintances, even friends. What I'm denying is that Ayers is a "terrorist." That "didn't do enough" line about his activities in the 60's that keeps getting thrown around isn't "didn't bomb enough" but "didn't oppose the war effectively enough." Did he do some stupid things in the 60's? Yes. Is he a fringe voice or terrorist sympathizer now? Hardly.

If by "blame first and always" you mean "acknowledge errors and work to correct them," I agree. We've just had eight years of blame last and never, and boy did it work out great.

chrispedersen · #8 November 5th, 2008, 11:30 AM

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Obama did associate with pseudo-marxist organizations, namely ACORN and to a lesser extent his church. He did remain in contact with Ayers until
2006, he does come from an intellectual tradition that tends to blame America first and always.

ACORN's not "pseudo-marxist." In fact I'm really not sure what "pseudo-marxist" is. You're either for the dictatorship of the proletariat and the destruction of the bourgeoisie or you're against it. Last I checked, Obama was against it. ACORN doesn't even have a stated position on taxes or the economy in general. Their focus is housing for low income people. The voter registration stuff spun out of that.

Ayers is a distinguished professor of education at U. Illinois Chicago. He and Obama served on a board about education reform (the Annenberg project) that had republican funding. Apparently he wasn't too much of a terrorist to get invited to sit on that board, or to be declared Chicagoan of the year in 1997 for his work on it. I'm not denying that they're acquaintances, even friends. What I'm denying is that Ayers is a "terrorist." That "didn't do enough" line about his activities in the 60's that keeps getting thrown around isn't "didn't bomb enough" but "didn't oppose the war effectively enough." Did he do some stupid things in the 60's? Yes. Is he a fringe voice or terrorist sympathizer now? Hardly.

If by "blame first and always" you mean "acknowledge errors and work to correct them," I agree. We've just had eight years of blame last and never, and boy did it work out great.

Thats simply not true. Both in his book and in an interview after 9/11 he said he was sorry he didn't do more. When asked (after 9/11) if he was sorry if he bombed the police station he said 'no'. His wife was #1 wanted female by the FBI with a heading of 'terrorist.'

Personally, I really despise the use of labels, so had I been advising the mccain camp I would have avoided calling him a terrorist, and avoiding saying things .. like socialist, liberal.

I would have tried to explain why the facts were relevent. Just using labels tends to overstate, and I think people rejected that.

But there will always be a significant portion of the population that does not feel that ayers is a distinguished member of society.

Omnirizon · #9 November 5th, 2008, 02:46 AM

WTF is a marxist organization?

on another note check out this **** going down on conservative forums and LAUGH YOUR ASSES OFF AT THOSE DIP****S

http://www.republicanoperative.com/f...ially-won.html

AdmiralZhao · #10 November 5th, 2008, 02:57 AM

Wow.

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So .. our competitors are in ruins; the democrats have more or less 40 years in power; and according to you they do an excellent job of managing the economy and world affairs.

Yet - if thats so how do our competitors, by 1980.. catch us? How does europe rebuild? How does Russia become a military power on par with us? You'd think that if the democrats did such a stellar job - there was no way anyone else could catch us.

Or is it in fact because perhaps in fact - that other nations - and not just one or two - but whole HOSTS of other nations.. exceeded us.

Yes, I too blame the Democrats for helping Europe rebuild after WWII. o_0