MP Chlorolera is made of contagious and deadly! - Page 20

JimMorrison · #1 January 15th, 2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DonCorazon

Games not over til the fat lady sings.

That's no lady, that's my wife!

And you're right, with 5 more turns of NAP, the Bandar will either be completely hip-deep in giants, or wiped out anyway, and you will get to attack undefended territories, as our reward for sparing your miserable Arcoscephalian lives.

Interesting to note how often I have been stabbed in the kidneys after showing mercy in MP games (here and other games entirely), I suppose it's a response that I must condition myself against.

I think a lot of us have wasted our time here, Jazz. I feel ya. <3

Incabulos · #2 January 15th, 2009, 10:30 PM

Heh I wasn't sure on the protocol since I had no contact with Bandar. Is it generally considered good form to declare you will be at war the floowoing turn. So that you have a single turn in which to make some adjustments (the turn you get the message) I.E get a message the same turn in which I set my troops to attack you?

I also had little notion that the vp conditions were so low.

AdmiralZhao · #3 January 15th, 2009, 09:30 PM

The sage of Bandar Log speaks the truth. The only reasonable course of action at this point is to fall into apathy and despair. Please do not spend more than 5 minutes on your turns as that would just be a waste of time.

Jazzepi · #4 January 15th, 2009, 09:36 PM

It's actually quite frustrating to have such a low VP count for winning. Generally I dislike VP victory conditions anyways, as they tend towards the "artifical grab capitals" approach which has nothing to do with really dominating the game.

I'm over on the west, and have had no involvement with what's going on in the east, but the game might just end before I've even had a chance. What a waste of time =\ I really wouldn't have joined if I had noticed the VPs were so low.

Jazzepi

DonCorazon · #5 January 15th, 2009, 11:18 PM

Incabulos, no, nobody does that. You can attack someone whenever you want if you don't have a NAP. In my case, I had a NAP and gave notice.

Anyway, I agree VPs are too low, but the line has been visible on the graph all game. The thing that has surprised me is how fast Shin has risen and how nobody has organized against him. In most games, a nation with a similar trajectory would have a rapid downfall as their neighbors organized against him. Here it just seems his rise and the low VP threshold is being lamented, but no action is being taken.

Jazzepi · #6 January 16th, 2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DonCorazon

Incabulos, no, nobody does that. You can attack someone whenever you want if you don't have a NAP. In my case, I had a NAP and gave notice.

Anyway, I agree VPs are too low, but the line has been visible on the graph all game. The thing that has surprised me is how fast Shin has risen and how nobody has organized against him. In most games, a nation with a similar trajectory would have a rapid downfall as their neighbors organized against him. Here it just seems his rise and the low VP threshold is being lamented, but no action is being taken.

I live on the other side of the freaking world. :|

Jazzepi

cleveland · #7 January 16th, 2009, 01:14 AM

Machaka declares war on Shinuyama!

BillyWitchDoctor.com kindly request coordinates to the Shinuyaman citadel. And satellite imagery, if possible.

Pelthin · #8 January 16th, 2009, 01:24 AM

Speaking as one who has already been declared taken over by someone (I am MAN).

I got beat up by Ashdod, but am now holding my own. I havea NAP with Shin, so I would have 5 turns to build up a force to deal with him if need be.

Also my partner in crime has been very forthcoming with information to help with my war against, Ashdod, so I think before you all think that this game is all but won, sit back and give it a play and see what happens.

I know Man is not very impressive on the graphs, but I have land in front of me to take, once I get rid of those silly Giant leaders in my front yard, and do not plan to roll over.

JimMorrison · #9 January 16th, 2009, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DonCorazon

The thing that has surprised me is how fast Shin has risen and how nobody has organized against him. In most games, a nation with a similar trajectory would have a rapid downfall as their neighbors organized against him.

Well after I took Arco's capital, I was going to gear up and go after Shinuyama, actually.

Our original agreement was that I spare your nation, in exchange for military cooperation against the ogres.

At the last moment, as my NAP with Shinuyama expired, and I asked you where the heck your troops were, you stated that your initial thrust had failed, and that you wanted to back out of the war.

This was turn 18 IIRC.

< shrug > You managed to diplomatically keep me from annexing a second capital early in the game, by agreeing to a war against the frontrunner (Shinuyama), which you then backed out of, condemning Bandar to a game of turtling, which you then cut short by allying with our other proposed enemy, whilst complaining that no one is fighting against Shinuyama.

Blah blah blah, right?

DonCorazon · #10 January 16th, 2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JimMorrison

Blah blah blah, right?

Perhaps another perspective would be useful:

Bandar rushed our capital. Never took it. Elephant vs. elephant. Bandar had more but ours were home garrison, friendly dominion and his would be enemy dominion and general low morale impacting both. Either elephants could turn on a dime (read bad DRN) We had researched up the Thaum ladder with an awake pretender and felt we would wipe out Bandar if our mages could survive long enough. I honestly wasnt't sure who would win. We felt a battle between us would be mutually destructive and seemed like a total gamble. If you lost you'd basically be out of the game. That is not how I like to play. I don't play in 50 games and just roll the dice and then go AI or quit in games where my gambles don't work out. I play till the end in every game. Even when it seems like I am going to lose, as in this game, I don't just quit or suggest its not worth the time to take my turns....

Anyhoo, I asked for a NAP and said we should focus on the leader -Shin. Bandar agreed. I avoided signing a NAP with Shin and attacked what had been 2 undefended provinces. Apparently, Shin somehow learned of my attack and moved troops in. I lost both fights b/c his PD and troops skyrocketed in between turns (apparently there was a leak in someone's embassy or the Admiral has my apartment bugged). At that point, I didn't have much to attack with but still refused Shin's offer to both sign a NAP and give me land, as this would violate the spirit of my agreement with Bandar. Granted I couldn't do much offensively til I re-built my forces. Nevertheless, I can say Arcos attacked 2 Shin provinces this game, 2 more than Bandar ever did. Bandar then agreed to Shin's offer to a NAP. After that Arcos signed a NAP with Shin.

We had no more dealings with Bandar for many turns. Then, Arcos cancelled our NAP with Bandar. No big deal in our minds since all nations must fight one another at some point and all NAPs must come to an end.