Someone cast Wolven Winter on New Orleans!

[JimMorrison]

Don't even tell me you couldn't tell this was a global warming debate, Cleveland.

I'm just having trouble getting over my amusement that 2 moderators passed through and did the opposite of trying to squelch the discussion.

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The Earth is growing warmer, we accepted that? The people trying to convince you that it's not such a bad thing, are the most fabulously wealthy people on the planet - who got that way by selling you the problem. It is directly in -their- best interests to convince you that it is in -your- best interests to either ignore the warming, or claim innocence, so that you can continue in your oil reliant lifestyle as long as possible.

[Tifone]

Yeah, expecially animals love superior temperatures! That's why WWF likes so much the climate changes! Umh, wait... no.

- http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_...acts/index.cfm

- http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_...tics/index.cfm

You may be interested even in this:

- http://www.geog.umd.edu/resac/outgoi...e%20change.pdf

And about "men living better with higher temperatures" you are probably thinking about summer holidays, but here we're talking about the possibilities of oceans' level rising, increased chance of hurricanes, not to mention proliferation of usually tropical/equatorial bacterias (dengue fever, malaria) in previously colder areas.

But maybe I'm a fool. Oh, I also live in Tuscany, we've plenty of vines for wine here, I think you can ask everyone here around how much plants like very hot summers... (and let's not talk about the chance of progressive desertification of already semi-arid areas, because I'd maybe sound too apocalyptic to some ears - still, http://www.ace.mmu.ac.uk/eae/Global_...ification.html and http://www.greenfacts.org/en/deserti...rsity-loss.htm)

[Gregstrom]

I suspect that it's a little difficult to detect meaningful trends over less than perhaps a 50-year span, and so my feeling is that all these pro/anti GW fanatics wrangling over the last 10 years of data aren't really saying anything useful.

It seems to me that extremists on both sides of the debate are using bad science to back their arguments at times, and that both sides have at times appeared to treat ethics as being less important than putting their message across. As a result I don't really think it's worth my time taking either side of the debate seriously.

That said, I have concerns over carbon emissions. After all, we've put out enough CO2 to measurably change the composition of the atmosphere. In the absence of any certain knowledge of what the effects of this on the planet will be, it seems sensible to try and limit emissions. I'd rather have the history books saying it was all a fuss about nothing than detailing how chances to avert future problems were wasted.

NB: I don't pretend to know what sort of changes altering atmospheric CO2 levels could actually cause. For all I know, they could be positive. But... not too long ago, no-one thought that halon fire extinguishers and CFC aerosol cans could alter the environment.

[cleveland]

Jim,
I just wish folks got as emotional about the science behind, say, heart medication as they do about global warming.

The only thing worse than an armchair scientist is one with a DSL line.

[Gregstrom]

Amen to that.

[Xietor]

Here is a picture from snowy New Orleans. As I was driving past a local high school I saw a lot of boys pelting each other with snow balls. A light bulb went off. Later that day, my ad aired on TV:

"Were you or a loved one injured or distressed by flying snow? If so, you may be entitled to a large cash award. Someone must pay. Throwing a snowball, under the law, is no different than throwing a rock. Would you let someone hit you with a rock or other object without suing for redress? And it makes no difference if the perpetrator is a minor under the age of 18. In that case, you can sue their parents as they are responsible for the actions of their children. Do not delay! Call right away! The law offices of......"



















just joking.

[JimMorrison]

Is that equipment even designed to operate below freezing? >.>

And I've been calling for more aggressive lawsuits against parents who let their children (or teach them to!) throw snowballs, for years now. We really can make a difference, if we work together.

[Edi]

That's more snow than we have right now!

[licker]

Good job missing the point guys.

I guess you think it would be better if the planet were getting colder right?

Pandas and Polar bears? Who cares, either they adapt or they die, that's the way of the world, that's the way it's always been. Or do you cry for the woolly mammoth? Or the other mega fauna?

It's not possible to pick a temperature and keep the system there right? Thus the temperature is always going to be moving somewhere, and up is generally accepted to be better than down. At least in the context of crop yield and animal population health.

Sure you can pull some specific examples which fare worse, but so what? That's not what I said, and I made it abundantly clear that hot isn't better for EVERYTHING, it's just better for almost everything.

Still all of that is beside the point that less pollution is better than more pollution, only I don't think we needed to have people with ulterior agendas try to scare everyone into believing that the end times are upon us.

So if you want to accept Al Gores lies for reasons for initiating sometimes radical proposals to end CO2 emission I will have to assume that you also accepted Bushes lies for reasons to invade Iraq.

[Tifone]

Originally Posted by licker

Pandas and Polar bears? Who cares, either they adapt or they die, that's the way of the world.

That's nice you think this way Sorry if some of us care about the unique and fragile flora and fauna of our world and want to preserve it. (I think you also fail to understand the times of adaptation)

Hey, children have always died of smallpox, do you apply that reasoning to them too? Do you protest against the scientists which make scientifical research about vaccines, AIDS etc because you don't want to "swallow their alarmist agendas"?

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So... About snowballs!! Hey, I'm a law student, I'm sure we can put up some good c... hey, what you say? In New Orleans is the "USA common law system" in force? Oh damn, feel almost useless.