Someone cast Wolven Winter on New Orleans!

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by Soyweiser

Also, we don't know the effects of certain 'sustainable' technologies. Wind energy for example. We don't know what all these windmills have for effect. First law of thermodynamics, the energy must come from somewhere. So it will have some effect. (Recent research has shown that it will influence weather patterns).

It would seem that for the most part, this should not be an enormous issue, though wind is not one of my favorite prospects anyway. But we have to bear in mind that capturing energy is not a one way trip. The great majority of that energy will be dispersed shortly after collection, in the form of heat. The thermal radiation from factories, and engines and such will help to maintain turbulence in the atmosphere due to convection. I still think that geothermal and solar are our best bets.

Originally Posted by Soyweiser

Some people even dispute that. Some say that fossil fuels are created by some strange process in the earth crust.

Well, if they believe that the Earth is only 7000 years old, then the creation of oil must necessarily be rather quick.




And Licker, we were all having a somewhat rousing, but engaging and (mostly) polite discussion of this subject. It really seems that the only one not worth discussing it with is you, so I wonder why you decided that you had to begin to try to sabotage this thread by trolling and making personal attacks?

[Soyweiser]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

It would seem that for the most part, this should not be an enormous issue, though wind is not one of my favorite prospects anyway. But we have to bear in mind that capturing energy is not a one way trip. The great majority of that energy will be dispersed shortly after collection, in the form of heat. The thermal radiation from factories, and engines and such will help to maintain turbulence in the atmosphere due to convection. I still think that geothermal and solar are our best bets.

It could create more powerful storms. As I live in a country that once had around 1/12 of it destroyed by a storm, and which also is around 50% under the sea level. I would rather not have more dangerous storms. I kinda like it here, no dangerous animals. Mostly liberal laws. Good healthcare, good job opportunities. (I do like geothermal and solar energy. That is heat that is otherwise wasted. We could also use other forms waste heat more efficiently. Some Russian cities have used waste energy from electricity plants to great effect for example).

Well, if they believe that the Earth is only 7000 years old, then the creation of oil must necessarily be rather quick.

Yeah, but I believed it wasn't religious nuts. More fuel industry nuts. There is more on wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin

Note, that I don't believe it. But I also don't have any knowledge about it. They could be right. I just don't know.

[licker]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

And Licker, we were all having a somewhat rousing, but engaging and (mostly) polite discussion of this subject. It really seems that the only one not worth discussing it with is you, so I wonder why you decided that you had to begin to try to sabotage this thread by trolling and making personal attacks?

roflmao...

Sure whatever, maybe you were late to the thread or maybe you have your blinders on, but me thinks thou doth protest too much. Seriously, what personal attacks are you referring to? The ones where I called someone who was being rude, rude? The ones where I used the same rhetoric 'your side' was using on me on you?

I dunno, I'm not complaining about anything anyone has said to me, and it was likely much more personal than anything I've said to you. Jeez, lets see, you make a post calling me a)an idiot, or b)an idiot... wowsers Jim, you sure got your internet etiquette down.

Did you look at the last link I provided? Do you care to actually look at research which doesn't fit with your view of GW? Do you actively seek it out on your own?

Like I said, you want a real discussion on this topic take it to PM, this thread isn't going to get it done anymore.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by SlipperyJim

Since you seem to be curious, I don't bother to debate certain issues on Teh Internetz unless some circumstance forces my hand. Global Warmism (and environmentalism, generally) belongs on that list. Religion and politics are the other topics I don't usually discuss online.

Well I made that post specifically, because others were still arguing amongst themselves, but something odd had happened - my last few posts got no response whatsoever. Usually the "opposition" hops in to say I am wrong, but no one was doing so, and I wanted to know why.

I like discussing and debating. The curious thing, is that most forums are organized for a certain segment of the population, and either most agree with eachother to a great degree, or everything that is strictly off topic is completely out of bounds, period.

If anyone knows of a place where people debate such things in a healthy manner, I'd check it out. Though it seems silly if the point is debating such issues, as I would get told off for starting a "new" GW thread instead of searching for the old one, and my first post would be on page 312.