Madness - 24 players, MA+LA, CBM 1.4 (running)

[Zeldor]

It was you violating the NAP long long time ago. I simply waited for a good moment, instead of getting provoke to war with you when I had big chances of losing it. You broke the NAP by occupying 2 of my territories. You should have fully attacked me then, if you really wanted war.

And you closed all expasion for MA C'tis, so why are you blaming him now for fighting?

[Wokeye]

The peaceful nation of Bogaris has been visciously attacked by blood-crazed LA Mictlan troops, with a series of plagues unleashed at distance - it was to be expected from such a warlike people, I guess. Time to earn some jaguar skins for our rugs and eagle feathers for our pillows!

[Reay]

You got a few Jaguar Skins already...

My game crashes to desktop each time I view that battle in Grey Mountains. How about you?

[Wokeye]

Originally Posted by Reay

You got a few Jaguar Skins already...
My game crashes to desktop each time I view that battle in Grey Mountains. How about you?

Yes mine crashes too.

Bogaris has some interesting tricks up their sleeve...I wonder if I can recover enough to put them into action.

[Incabulos]

In my book you are both forked tongued snakes and deserve whatever you wrought upon each other...


Messages from Caelum (to me as Pangaea)

So you know - Zeldor and I -did- sign NAP, in direct violation of the word of your agreement.

I wish to secure full military alliance with Pangaea, dependent upon clear access into their interior, meaning that you would get the southern entrance, and I would take the northern.

Upon their eventual defeat, it would make sense for each party to claim 1 capital within TC's current borders. I would leave it to you to take first pick, and Caelum will take the other.

Let me know as soon as you can, so I can defuse my current situation with C'tis - TC is a far bigger threat.

Unfortunately for the conniving Prime Minister of TC, he has grossly violated our own agreement, and thus needs no warning.

We do however need probably at least 2 turns to negotiate peace with C'tis - they do not seem to like to visit the forums, making communication excruciatingly slow. I did just devastate their first army last turn with minimal losses, and the Caelian war machine is in full swing, and ready to shame and abuse the misguided forces of TC - so as soon as we can, we will come on wings of freezing death for our treacherous foe.

Oh, and we forgive you for that early grab, it was bold and daring, and those are admirable traits indeed.

BTW- are you in need of any forgings? We'd be happy to trade a pair of Frost Brands for a Thistle Mace, for starters. Also, we could possibly be convinced to supply you with a Staff of Storms to shut down TC's archer-centric tactics, though that would work best if you could supply the Air gems for it, as our income will ultimately never be enough to satisfy our own rapacious demand for Air.

I like your thinking here. I've been putting off submitting, hoping and praying that C'tis will actually check his PMs first - so I'm not sure what I can afford to send there this turn - however, I should have no problem claiming it, with a sufficient force to hold it against anything he could scrounge up to throw into it this turn.

If there is a good 5N site there, we will be overjoyed. In fact, perhaps we will send you the aforementioned Frost Brands as a token of friendship between our peoples, as that income will more than see to our minimal Nature needs.

Ahhh, that brings something else to mind - perhaps you can forge us some Earth Boots? We would value those quite highly, and welcome any request you might make of us in exchange.

The reults... you took TC territories captured by me at no cost to you, for nothing in return and never did attack TC.

Double talk and double dealing and taking advantage of trust/naivetee... Pot meet Kettle.

Glass houses and stones and all that....

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by Incabulos

The reults... you took TC territories captured by me at no cost to you, for nothing in return and never did attack TC.

Double talk and double dealing and taking advantage of trust/naivetee... Pot meet Kettle.

Glass houses and stones and all that....

I am pretty sure that I directly implied to you that an actual declaration of war was contingent on pacifying C'tis, something that Zeldor insured was impossible. Multiple times I told him to name his price, giving an open ended offer, and yet he ignored that, so what could I do, attack TC with split forces, not sure of success against either foe? When C'tis made it apparent that he would not accept peace, I finally relented and began to fight him directly - it was all I could do.

Did I take advantage of you, Incabulos? I offered to make gear for your Gorgon. I did want to trade, but I also told you I had plenty of Water, and there were a few useful things I could just send you, if you liked.

Did I intend to attack Zeldor? Certainly, only a fool would not. I grit my teeth as he committed gross acts of war in violation of our NAP, and said nothing. The province in question means little. As far as relations between TC and Caelum go, we took it from a third party, placed minimal PD, and offered no real resistance when TC came to reclaim it. Zeldor then directly violated the NAP again, by attacking a Caelian province that was neutral at the time of NAP, and had never been discussed.

[Incabulos]

Well I walked away with the impression Caelum used me to grab some free provinces while maintaining their NAP with TC. Communication did seem to get strangely quiet and since you didn't ever say "I couln't get peace with Cti's so you are on your own..." I just assumed the worst, which is of course partly my fault for not asking.

But I also see it is part of the game which is why I use the nation titles instead of the player's behind them.

I am just stoking the fire since I am finished fleas in ears and all that .

[archaeolept]

publish the pm's w/ the NAP agreement.

[JimMorrison]

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So what are your plans now? You have cut off MA C'tis and you have a border with me. I still didn't choose who to fight next, but I am not afraid of mammoths at all - killing all MA Arco elephants was really easy for me. So it's more about what you want If you want peace, I can sign solid NAP and you can fight C'tis.

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As annoying a foe as they can be, C'tis is who I intended to deal with next.

But, be quite sure, while I am going to use the Mammoths that are left over from indies and such, I've no need or use for repopulating them - damned expensive things they are. And certainly not altogether effective against mounted archers.

In any case, we graciously accept the offer of a standard NAP, and we appreciate the aesthetically pleasing border that exists between our nation and yours. <3

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Sounds good. And it looks like 258 is for me, 260 for you




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[Zeldor]

Didn't you say that C'tis is no match for you and killing him will take just a while? Most of your armies were sitting next to me all the time, later in the port city too, without any movement or real attacks on C'tis. You were wasting your armies

And well, you decided to take 2 provinces of mine with semi-smart idea to not break NAP in that way. But I think that you should rethinkg that plan for future games. You won't convince anyone that it's not breaking NAP You either wanted to attack me directly [but why didn't you really? I had no armies nearby, and was surprised by Pan attack] or tried to get me to attack you and try to blame me for breaking the NAP [which wouldn't be true].

Did you expect me to live that matter like that? You kept my provs for a long time, sucking gem income from them, without saying sorry or offering to repay that gems, so we could live in peace. It was you who wanted war, so you should have been prepared for it.