Madness - 24 players, MA+LA, CBM 1.4 (running)

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by Zeldor

Didn't you say that C'tis is no match for you and killing him will take just a while? Most of your armies were sitting next to me all the time, later in the port city too, without any movement or real attacks on C'tis. You were wasting your armies

The "army" sitting at the port city? 80 or so troops with a small handful of mages is a garrison, not an army. It was originally waiting to see what you were doing, before the attrition of war with C'tis made it essentially unthinkable that Caelum could handle both fronts at all. After a couple of Leprosy castings on that province, they weren't worth much anyways. As far as C'tis is concerned, I didn't realize at first that Leprosy was lowered to 5D gems in this incarnation of CBM. This has allowed a never-ending torrent of disease pouring down on my troops in and out of the Miasma. The entire was has been excurciatingly painful, due to these things - and the incredible rate that C'tis is producing Sirrush. He either has a really nice Conj site hidden somewhere, or someone is feeding him Pearls.

Originally Posted by Zeldor

And well, you decided to take 2 provinces of mine with semi-smart idea to not break NAP in that way. But I think that you should rethinkg that plan for future games. You won't convince anyone that it's not breaking NAP

I took 1 province from Pangaea. I made no attempts to repel your attackers. Most reasonable people would consider that a mistake at best, not a violation of NAP. The other province was independent, and was never mentioned in our messages - you simply decided you wanted it, and claimed it after I defeated the garrison. Something I allowed at the time, because I've seen what it's like to try to negotiate with you when you think (or know) you have the upper hand - it's like talking to a brick wall.

Originally Posted by Zeldor

Did you expect me to live that matter like that? You kept my provs for a long time, sucking gem income from them, without saying sorry or offering to repay that gems, so we could live in peace. It was you who wanted war, so you should have been prepared for it.

I kept the -one- province for as long as it took you to send a force capable of breaking 10 Caelum PD, which I had installed before you messaged me.

I just think that if YOU wanted war, you could have been something less of a coward about it, and at least given proper NAP cancellation. I'm sorry that you're afraid to ever engage in a conflict that could possibly slow you down or set you back in the slightest bit. While you were walking totally unhindered through all of the cave garrisons, some of us were fighting in Miasma with 9HP troops.....

[archaeolept]

MA Caelum did go AI, further making this game a pile of s***. I vote for starting a new game - I know, when I had been down to 8 troops and managed to finally have my crippled nation to break siege, Zeldor expended a fair degree of work to find a sub willing to fight to keep me down. Strangely, he does not seem to have found anyone to take Caelum's position. As such, this game demonstrates nothing like an adequate degree of fairness.

There is no way that I personally would count a game win in such a situation as valid.


sorry zeldor. It was a fairly cool idea for a game, and an interesting map, but I would think of it as a beta test.

oh, for anyone interested, midgard lost an earth king and a king of elemental fire this turn

[DonCorazon]

I'd like to move on honestly - happy to concede to whoever. Each turn of this game is more painful than the last. Its my own fault for jumping in without checking the settings when Zeldor said he needed someone for LA Pyth on IRC but I had no idea about all these special sites etc til I started getting hit with Troll Kings and Aesimir (sp?).

So if it balances things out, I am happy to go AI or find a sub or admit defeat.

[Dragar]

grr... accidental stale, was sure I'd sent it in. Anyways, no big loss, I'm about to die anyways.

This game was a nice idea but I have to say I don't think the map is conducive to a good game, way too much isolation, and map knowledge a definite advantage

[archaeolept]

yeah, happy to go AI myself.

[Calahan]

I've only recently subbed into this one (as Marignon), so I won't be voting either way on any continue/abort decision. Although to me Caelum turning AI certainly seems to be real negative turn of events

If the game does continue, then because Marignon has no grudges against anyone, the only logical course of action is to become a proper Dominions whore, and hire my war services out to the highest bidder. I never have been one to just sit on the sidelines

Originally Posted by archaeolept

oh, for anyone interested, midgard lost an earth king and a king of elemental fire this turn

This turn Marignon lost their Pretender.........for a few seconds, then I found him again. That's just about as interesting as things get in the lands of Marigonon

[Zeldor]

archaelopept:

Well, I think that more players should speak about it. That is LA Mictlan, Midgard and Arco. I am fine with whatever is voted through, draw too [I'd prefer to continue it, but Caelum turning AI sucks].

I really don't like turning people AI. But he did not ask for a sub, he did not even pick a fight. It's not funny at all. If I knew that he is really going to do it, I'd delay a game and look for a sub [we could try looking for one and rolling back, but I'm not sure if it's the best idea].

Anyway, ask that 3 players to comment here and we will do according to that.

[archaeolept]

yah i have no doubt that his actions are difficult to countenance, but the game is pretty screwed, and I certainly have little pleasure in doing my turns. Even though killing elemental royalty is always fun.

actually, i have a pet king of elemental earth now... gotta get him GoR'ed

[archaeolept]

otoh, if me and la pyth were to go AI, it might create an entertaining gold rush for all of the rest of you

- at least somewhat balance out just having caelum doing it.

[DonCorazon]

since we are disclosing big name kills, a couple air queens got nixed a turn ago, along with a cyclops. the queens might still be around.

on an unrelated note, I am quite underwhelmed by Foul Vapors. My enemies fight through it like it were nothing more than minor hydra flatulence.