3 bogarus questions

[Kuritza]

Best use for these national summons is to store them in your laboratory in form of gems, imho.
Only Zmey is worth considering, if you are rushed perhaps, and he doesnt require magical leadership anyway. And for a flying commander you can summon an Alconost for 8 astal gems; a holy-3 summoned commander is extremly good if you have undead-happy neighbours imho.
P.S.
There's nothing amusing about Gamayun and his slots because Starets has more slots and same paths (possibly even better)

[VedalkenBear]

Kuritza: I apologize for injecting SP flavor concerns into an incredibly complex, optimal MP situation. Please carry on your discussion without me.

[Kuritza]

VedalkenBear:
If you speak about flavour, then yes, Bogarus summons are very interesting and cool. If you speak about their worth - then it doesnt matter if you play SP or MP; bad and/or overpriced units are just bad.
I thought you were seriously discussing the benefits of using Bogarus summons, sorry for misinterpreting you.

[quantum_mechani]

Just to be clear, are you saying Bogarus summons are overpriced at current CB prices (because I believe those were the ones VedalkenBear was referring to)?

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by quantum_mechani

Just to be clear, are you saying Bogarus summons are overpriced at current CB prices (because I believe those were the ones VedalkenBear was referring to)?

I think that he's saying this is a classic case of a potentically useful summon, that needs to be made a batch spell. 1 summon for 1 gem *and* 1 turn of a Staret's time, isn't working, since you need squads of these things to be very effective. See the other poster suggesting getting 30 together.

I'd guess at 3/3 they'd look a bit more attractive, though 5/5 might be more reasonable, since these guys are more needed to shore up defense when Bogarus still looks fairly tasty to their neighbors.

[Kuritza]

Originally Posted by quantum_mechani

Just to be clear, are you saying Bogarus summons are overpriced at current CB prices (because I believe those were the ones VedalkenBear was referring to)?

No, I meant vanilla game. Speaking of CB - having your Starets waste his time on summoning a single, rather squishy, unit is a desperate act. Even if that unit got buffed.
And Gamayun is rather bad even at 16 astral pearls in my opinion - it doesnt open any new paths, its not better at existing path than your national mages, it cannot become a thug etc. Its just a copy of your national mage that can fly.

[Redeyes]

Consider that winged boots cost 10 air gems and are usually considered useful... why wouldn't a 16 gem sacred mage-priest-leader be?

[Wrana]

Unfortunately, Lady of Midday is thematically a solitary being (and was so in folklore). Maybe fudge spell somewhat to be castable by lesser mages than Staretz would be a better solution?

[Kuritza]

Because flying boots cost 7 gems with hammer, and they can be passed between commanders as the need arises. Summoned mage, on the other hand, is just that - a flying S2A2 mage who cannot cast anything your inexpensive national mages cant.
But 16 astral pearls is surely better than 25. At least now I would consider summoning them in a besieged castle, for example, to reinforce communion. Perhaps... some other uses as well.
Actually, I was just aggroed by a suggestion to rush Conjuration tree to start summoning Gamayuns. They may be considered a bonus, an addition to something else, but you just cant base any strategy around them.

[chrispedersen]

You know, Gemayans (and other similiar summons) *might* be useful, if the original casting continued to bring you one creature. However that creature could auto summon one or more of the same, at no gem cost.