MP: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game Over. Vets defeat Noobs.

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by Lavaere

well I thought we were suppose to play Orania, and last I looked it said Desert Eye

The map has been updated. But that doesn't really matter. I used the old map just to get the game open and let people start uploading their pretenders.

I think I'll upload my pretender now, in case my Internet goes out at home.

[Ironhawk]

Speaking for the Vets team, we would like to request a new starting position for our water nation. It is not reasonable to place it in a position where it effectively has only two connecting provinces for resource purposes. Don't misunderstand, we understand that as the sole water nation in the game, it may follow that Atlantis gets a poorer start. But two provs is just not acceptable. And if you add onto that the fact that his position makes it a real possibility that he could be dominion-killed by his teammates it just goes beyond the bounds of fairness.

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by Ironhawk

Speaking for the Vets team, we would like to request a new starting position for our water nation. It is not reasonable to place it in a position where it effectively has only two connecting provinces for resource purposes. Don't misunderstand, we understand that as the sole water nation in the game, it may follow that Atlantis gets a poorer start. But two provs is just not acceptable. And if you add onto that the fact that his position makes it a real possibility that he could be dominion-killed by his teammates it just goes beyond the bounds of fairness.

There were few options with regard to placing the water nation that did not place them too close for my comfort to the noobs. The few that did, did not have many neighbors either. The water nation was placed primarily to forstall any hostile action from them,and as they are the wildcard in the game, being able to attack anywhere at will (whereas the land nations are far enough apart to prevent this). Hence, the NAP.

At this point, rather than causing more delays, I'd prefer that you make the best of it understanding that others also have less than ideal placement. I didn't think it a big deal really. However, I'll take a second look and see if there is any other possible place that suits us both, as I don't want any accusations of unfairness and want everyone to be happy. If it turns out, I see none, I'll give Atul a choice of a centralized (supporting role) starting position on land as an alternative. Though once again, I'd prefer not to have to re-up another map. Atul, does have the sea to himself, and is a vet afterall.

[Ironhawk]

And as I said before, we understand that you want to give the water nation a weak placement. There is no objection to that. But two connecting provinces? Its crazy - I mean, would you be ok with only two connecting provs to your cap? Crippled resources aside, what if they were both knights or something?

Yeah please do take another look. Its not a total deal-breaker to not have this but it does feel disproportionate to the advantage of a single water nation.

[TheDemon]

Water castles don't draw resources from surrounding land provinces, nor do land castles draw from water. To put the problem in perspective, in most games provs with only 2 resource connections are set no start, and if someone got placed there, it can be legitimate grounds for requesting a restart. You say that other nations have less than ideal positions, but the only one land position with only 2 connections is the island in the middle of the ocean. Would you be fine if we could pick one of your nations to start there?

[rdonj]

I would suggest taking a look at the map and providing septimius with one or two province numbers that you deem more fair, it would probably be faster than having him look for a new one.

[atul]

I already provided him with few I would be happy with quite near the original one, but he declined. Me being too threatening an all that.

Oh well, this is silly and going nowhere. I'll just have to be a lot more aggressive than I intended thanks to the position. Lets get the game started, already 13 pretenders up.

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by atul

I already provided him with few I would be happy with quite near the original one, but he declined. Me being too threatening an all that.

Oh well, this is silly and going nowhere. I'll just have to be a lot more aggressive than I intended thanks to the position. Lets get the game started, already 13 pretenders up.

Though I hate cluttering the server with more map files (I'll have to ask Llama to remove the last two), I see I'll have no choice. After looking at the map, I've given Atul another starting position with 3 water provs that should be fair enough for both sides.

No more changes. Let's get those remaining pretenders in.

[Lingchih]

We need our water nation to be in a good locale. 2 provs seems not enough to me. I request a re-emplacement.

And, umm, Sept? I go on vacation in one month. Could you call your people, and let's get this thing started?

[atul]

Thanks Sept.

Now that out of the way, lets get started.