MP Setsumi - Come for the game, stay for the drama! - Page 9

Ossa · #1 August 28th, 2009, 04:50 PM

@SciencePro: Could you plz respond to me via pm or in this forum?

Ossa · #2 August 31st, 2009, 12:22 AM

Nice work Zeldor. I'll try to remember that. Did you know we were NAPed?

Kuritza · #3 September 3rd, 2009, 11:35 PM

So, could anyone update me on the situation?

As far as I understand, Rlyeh for metagaming reasons backstabbed Marignon, the only player with a border to Ermor who was sane enough to try and actually fight him. Since Rlyeh thwarted the only nation that was fighting Ermor with *some* success, Ermor is gonna crush it too; in other words, Rlyeh is supporting the clear winner.

I think Baalz missed something in his 'good players pledge'. Truth told, we can declare Zeldor a winner already.

SciencePro · #4 September 13th, 2009, 12:41 PM

wow I've only been playing D3 for a couple weeks and already certain sure do seem pissed at me since i took over Ry'leh

I don't think there is any good reason for it through...

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Originally Posted by Kuritza

As far as I understand, Rlyeh for metagaming reasons backstabbed Marignon, the only player with a border to Ermor who was sane enough to try and actually fight him.

Okay, well I guess I see why someone might be mad at me. I can even see why you might assume that from what I said. But that’s not what I meant. Here is what actually went down:

1. As I start subbing for Ry’leh, the previous player informs me that I have NAP’s with Marignon, Ermor and some other stuff.
2. Zeldor is the only one to contact me and offer to work with me. He tells me that Marignon has (since the other player has been staleing) stabbed Ry’leh in the back and taken a bunch of my provinces. He names the specific provinces and the map seems to corroborate what he is saying. Zeldor suggested that I help him and counter-attack Marignon which I agree to.
3. Ossa/Marignon starts whining incessantly about how I attacked him and broke our NAP. I start to get a little annoyed. I tell him that I hope there are no hard feelings and that I am happy to work with him in other games.
4. Ossa PM’s me that, because of what I did in setsumi, he is renouncing our NAP-3 in a different game (Zebra). He sneak attacks me there before I even read the message. Now I am kind of pissed since this is flagrant metagraming which is forbidden in Zebra. I consider whining about it but decide to just let it be.
5. Ossa then sends out a message to all in setsumi whining about how unfair it is that I attacked him and how I am a liar and I can’t be trusted. Now I’m really pissed so I fire back a response pointing out how full of crap he is.

I’m sorry I mentioned Zebra at all, the only reason it even came up is because of Ossa’s metagaming. In fact, Ossa is the ONLY one metagaming here, not me. All I did was call him on his crap.

Juffos · #5 September 4th, 2009, 02:37 AM

R'lyeh, you should read this, it's from the Zebra thread:

"3. The diplomacy is not bound to any ethical rules, you may under no circumstance start metagame whining about broken deals, channel that anger into some roleplayed vendettas instead."

What you are doing is wrong, why do you do this thing?

I would also like to end this game already. If any of you believe to have any possibility of hindering Ermor's growth, PM me.

Zeldor · #6 September 4th, 2009, 02:47 AM

For me it all looks just like Marignon propaganda. From what I know R'lyeh got a new player and he was not informed about any treaties. I as Ermor had no idea that R'lyeh has any agreements with Marignon - rather contrary. I know there were some strange things happening early on that unfortunately were not checked by llamabeast [2 R'lyeh pretenders ?]. I also know that Marignon took some provinces from R'lyeh when he was staling, before new player took over. Maybe they got raided by Atlantis AI and Marignon would give them back to R'lyeh, but I cannot tell if there was offer like that. I can only speak for what I know and saw. R'lyeh and Marignon should write here - I just don't agree with saying bad stuff about R'lyeh only because he subbed into the game and is not according like some people would expect to.

P.S. Marignon killed over 500 of my troops in one battle

Kuritza · #7 September 4th, 2009, 03:28 AM

It may be a Marignon propaganda, or it may not, it doesnt matter.

Fact if fact - nobody tries to stop Ermor. Unchecked, growing Ermor becomes unstoppable. Its like 2 x 2. Zeldor, I enjoyed your propaganda in the ingame messages, because its in-character and funny. )) But dont try it here, dont insult our intelligence.

Rlyeh just thwarted the only player who tried to do something. He doesnt do that to win, because he wont stand the chance against Ermor either. Metagaming is such a metagaming.

SciencePro · #8 September 13th, 2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuritza

Rlyeh just thwarted the only player who tried to do something. He doesnt do that to win, because he wont stand the chance against Ermor either. Metagaming is such a metagaming.

Sigh, of course I am doing it to win. And what I did has nothing to do with what happened in the other D3 game.

I am a noob to dominons but, from watching Survivor (the tv show) it seems to me that a good strategy when there are 10-15 players is to ally with the strongest one. Then when there is just 3-5 left you gang up on the strongest.

Zeldor started PM'ing me and was the only one to contact me. It seemed highly likely that i would get farther in the game working with him than trying to fight him and getting immediately crushed.

I'm working with him now, but if i'm still around later in the game and he is still the strongest, then obviously I will have to join an alliance against him.

The only sense that I am metagaming is that I am trying to be political and win. Obviously if i was truly RP-ing Ry'leh i would just sprout gibberish and attack randomly. But that doesn't seem like a very good strategy.

Zeldor · #9 September 4th, 2009, 03:50 AM

Well, I really cannot judge the situation. I am not impressed with all that Ermor threat, but surely I am way less vulnerable now than few turns ago. I lost a lot of provs to Marignon when he attacked me [I was stretched out, no armies nearby, no Rigor Mortis].

You are telling that people don't want to help Marignon fight me. But why would they want to help Marignon win? He has artifacts, elemantal royalty, unique summons, bloodhunting, research, etc. So someone would have to help him do tough war against me, just to get attacked by Marignon later?

P.S. Just looked at score graphs, it looks a bit more in my favor, I will admit that. 43 forts and more troops that other players combined.

Kuritza · #10 September 4th, 2009, 04:15 AM

Zeldor........... I begged you to stop this propaganda war, didnt I? Sigh.

Because its possible to stop Marignon. He doesnt have TONS of freespawn, his unique summons arent THAT scary, etc etc. Marignon is just another nation. I know I will have a fair chance of stopping him, should the need arise.
But you cant stop an overgrown Ermor. When people say that LA Ermor becomes unstoppable when not ganged upon, they mean it. Look at the graphs, they are self-explaining. Look at the Hall of fame, who's won the most games in the late age.

You did a good job convincing everyone that you are not scary at all, you really want to be allowed to consume all nations one by one. I understand that wish of yours, who doesnt want an easy victory. But please, when you feed me with such obvious nonsense, I can help feeling insulted.