Mod Conceptual Balance Mod 1.6 - Page 6

Squirrelloid · #1 September 21st, 2009, 08:20 PM

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Thanks! How would I get the Son of Niefel to stop spawning wolves? He is not in CBM mod but in game.

You would select his monster number, #clearspec, then add back in all of his other abilities (like cold res, etc).

Also note the Vampire Queen, Ghost King, and Prince of Death spawn a few troops. Not to mention a bunch of summons with spawn.

Thanks Q! Is there a list somewhere of all the units that spawn stuff?

What's the big deal with a handful of freespawn? None of them make them in sufficient quantity to really matter.

Mother of Lions and Lord of the Gates both freespawn. I'm sure there are more.

cleveland · #2 September 19th, 2009, 04:59 PM

I've updated the online Forging Reference to include CBM 1.6

In the process, I found 2 small errors:

- Lycanthropos' Amulet not implemented as intended due to a spelling error.
- Dragon Scale Mails not implemented as intended due to coding oversight.

Correct code should be:

#selectitem "Lycanthropos' Amulet"
#mainlevel 1
#end

#selectarmor "Green Dragon Scale Mail"
#prot 17
#end

#selectarmor "Red Dragon Scale Mail"
#prot 17
#end

#selectarmor "Blue Dragon Scale Mail"
#prot 17
#end

Enjoy!
cleveland

Squirrelloid · #3 September 19th, 2009, 07:16 PM

QM, would you please make the dragon mails constr 2? They're not very good at constr 6, and all those magic types could really use a passible armor at construction 2 rather than having nothing until construction 6, with the sole exception of fire. (I think i've seen a dragon scale armor made all of once).

cleveland · #4 September 19th, 2009, 11:44 PM

Ah, my mistake...the Dragon Scale Mails are just fine as-is. Kindly ignore.

Endoperez · #5 September 20th, 2009, 04:53 AM

New Conceptual Balance, *drool*...

I'm starting to consider getting out of my hibernation.

While Blood Stones were very nice, and were required for reaching better Earth spells, they were too good. ANY Earth nation should consider taking up Blood, just to get the Blood Stones, even if they never use it for anything else... and they might not, since Blood Stones were so great.

The change hurts some nations more, and I'm worried about MA Ulm especially. E2 Smith + boots + stone + earthpower could reach E5 in a fight, giving Ulm access to Petrify, which would give them a counter to SCs. A Crystal Shield is a poor alternative, even with 50% forging bonus. Their Iron Angels might be a bit better under the new CB though, since they're relatively cheap and the competition was slightly nerfed.

kianduatha · #6 September 21st, 2009, 04:12 AM

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The change hurts some nations more, and I'm worried about MA Ulm especially. E2 Smith + boots + stone + earthpower could reach E5 in a fight, giving Ulm access to Petrify, which would give them a counter to SCs. A Crystal Shield is a poor alternative, even with 50% forging bonus. Their Iron Angels might be a bit better under the new CB though, since they're relatively cheap and the competition was slightly nerfed.

I think not having the gems to spam Iron Angels nerfs them in comparison far more than, say, Tartarians(who are comparable price-wise).

quantum_mechani · #7 September 21st, 2009, 04:43 AM

MA Ulm could probably use some more help, but they can now equip black lords with Hero's Blades to counter a lot of stuff.

Endoperez · #8 September 21st, 2009, 03:02 PM

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I think not having the gems to spam Iron Angels nerfs them in comparison far more than, say, Tartarians(who are comparable price-wise).

Iron Angels are weaker than they would be with Blood Stones, obviously, and they aren't as good as I remembered them as.

Tartarians are more expensive (in both initial and summoning costs), but Iron Angels can't withstand much damage at all... Well, at least QM's last comment reminded me about a nifty little thing: Iron Angels are size 4! That could work well with the hero's blade.

Edi · #9 September 20th, 2009, 12:13 PM

I think the gem generator removal is a good idea most of the time. It forces a more active role on everyone and does remove some emphasis from massively boosted globals and huge hordes of summoned armies that are not in any way tied to actual gem income.

It does make the position of underdog more challenging, but there must be other ways to compensate for that, such as diplomatic efforts.

Of course, that depends on what you like, but I have no objection to less gem gens, especially less clams.

Valerius · #10 September 21st, 2009, 04:18 PM

QM, any chance of some help for Eriu? I play them a lot so I'm biased but a while back you rated nations and I think on your own scale you rated them as weak. Great raiders only take you so far...

Edit: and Eriu is a clam capable nation so they should get compensation for eliminating gem gens.