APC Development and related topics. - Page 43

MarkSheppard · #1 November 15th, 2020, 02:29 PM

So Japanese APCs:

Sources
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/60%E5%...94%B2%E8%BB%8A
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_6...sonnel_Carrier
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/73%E5%...94%B2%E8%BB%8A
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAV7#%...94%A8%E5%9B%BD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assaul...ibious_Vehicle

Miscellaneous notes
For Japanese IFVs/APCs/Tanks, the most modern stuff is always deployed to Hokkaido to act as deterrence against Soviet operations from the Kuriles.

Type 60 APC
Because only 338 x Type 73 APCs were built, compared to 430~ Type 60 APCs, the Type 60 continued on until the 2000s, with the following numbers being recorded:

1998: 303 in service
2005: 33 in service
2006: None in Service

From the later part of the 1980s, when Type 60s came into the repair shops, they slowly replaced the front bow machine gun from the original 7.62mm M1919 MMG to the 7.62mm Type 74 MMG (Japanese Weapon #069).

AAV7 Family

In 2013, the JGSDF bought four AAVP7's for reference and testing, followed by orders for 54 more in 2016, for a total of 58 AAVP7s, broken down as:

6 x Command Vehicles (AAVC7A1 RAM / RS)
6 x Recovery Vehicles (AAVR7A1 RAM / RS)
46 x APC Vehicles (AAVC7A1 RAM / RS)

Deliveries took place in mid to late 2017 and in March 2018, the new Amphibious Rapid Deployment Brigade was formed.

FASTBOAT TOUGH · #2 November 15th, 2020, 06:21 PM

Status:

UK: AJAX
https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...combat-forces/
The first of 589 Ajax vehicles have been delivered (Not true, that is the number to ordered.) to the Army here and full operating capability is set for 2025.

Keep in mind the above and others I've already posted concerning FOC. I'm providing the next for "contrast" to demonstrate how fast equipment dates can change and why Don and I can only do the following. Not for how it's intended here but, as to its otherwise visual impact-

This article was from the beginning of this year, again as a reminder IOC hasn't been achieved let alone by this past July as per this ref.

But say it was (IOC) just for "S*its and Giggles", I quote the last para...
"However, whatever the doomsters predict, Ajax is late but will enter service to give the British Army a highly advanced digitised vehicle fleet capable of meeting today’s threats on the battlefield in the 2024 timeframe following the completion of the demonstration phase in 2021."
https://battle-updates.com/gdls-give...an-nettlefold/

Of course the manufacturer has to put a positive spin on things!!!!

Gotta walk!!!

Real quick Australian BOXER in Manufacturer trials that started in mid Oct 2020. Army also just started training with the handful they have. Refs later!!

Getting Dark!!!

Regards,
Pat

Suhiir · #3 February 10th, 2021, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

AAV7 Family

In 2013, the JGSDF bought four AAVP7's for reference and testing, followed by orders for 54 more in 2016, for a total of 58 AAVP7s, broken down as:

6 x Command Vehicles (AAVC7A1 RAM / RS)
6 x Recovery Vehicles (AAVR7A1 RAM / RS)
46 x APC Vehicles (AAVC7A1 RAM / RS)

Deliveries took place in mid to late 2017 and in March 2018, the new Amphibious Rapid Deployment Brigade was formed.

The AAVR7A1 (and similar vehicles) are not modeled in WinSPMBT as they're basically tow trucks/mobile light repair shops.

MarkSheppard · #4 November 21st, 2020, 09:28 PM

First clear shots of new NORINCO VN-1 (aka Type 08) 8x8 in Thai service during an exercise. Previously, all we saw of them were on trains with the turrets covered.

From a Thai Facebook page:

Quote:

Armed 30 mm automatic cannon, 7.62 mm co-axle gun, 40 mm automatic grenade launcher, 76 mm smoke grenade launcher, all controlled from inside the vehicle.

....

In addition to all the weapons mentioned above It can also be equipped with 3 additional Red Arrow 73D missile weapons.

But looks like the initial Thai buy is just cannon/MG/AGL, not any ATGM options...

FASTBOAT TOUGH · #5 February 10th, 2021, 02:29 AM

This is the first thing I've seen for the AJAX this year, I believe. And at this time, supports for now the revised date I've already submitted.

I see a larger potential to see this moving to the "right" then moving to the "left" or staying in the "center" as far as dates are concerned for the overall status of the AJAX Program as a whole.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._delivery.html

UK Defense Review likely to be pushed back again. COVID and other Economic factors (BREXIT) coming into play.

Regards,
Pat

luigim · #6 April 11th, 2021, 06:01 AM

About this

https://twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1380938876961820674

Here we can see MT-LBM 6MB (with 30mm autocannon) in Russian service

canceled from this game long time ago

This post was moved from the MBT thread to the APC thread

DRG · #7 April 11th, 2021, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luigim

About this...

https://twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1380938876961820674

Here we can see MT-LBM 6MB (with 30mm autocannon) in Russian service

canceled from this game long time ago

The MT-LBM-6MB was first added to the V4.5 OOB's in 2009 and in 2014 it was removed ( Ver 8 Unit 801)

So far I found the post that suggested it be put in....

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=34140

And the post that had them removed...

https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/show...6MB#post822740 Post 129

Quote:

Specifically, OBAT11 numbers 213 (MT-LBM-6M1A3), 332 (MT-LBM-6M1B2), 800 (MT-LBM-6MA), 801 (MT-LBM-6MB), and for that matter 872 (MT-LBM). To the best of my knowledge, these vehicles showed up once at an arms expo, and were promptly never heard from again. I find no reports of any of the MT-LB modifications actually coming into service.

But of course, we just saw a trainload go by so I guess that info we were provided was at least partially wrong, wasn't it ??

Of those Unit numbers listed missing now are:

213 (MT-LBM-6M1A3)
332 (MT-LBM-6M1B2) ( now Kurganets 25 )
800 (MT-LBM-6MA)
801 (MT-LBM-6MB)

872 is now the MT-LBVM

It is too late to get them back in for this release but if I get confirmation info that 213, 332 do or don't exist I will (or won't...) get them back in as well for whenever the next update is released and this time they only get put back in with solid source info but I have added 800 and 801 back into my working OOB's with updated photos and they will get much more correct Icons for the 14.5mm and 30mm versions but right now after a bit of digging it would appear that all of that "remove" info was wrong

These two posts have been moved from the MBT thread to the APC thread

FASTBOAT TOUGH · #8 April 11th, 2021, 02:29 PM

Don,
In the interest of saving you time and aggravation of which I'm sure I'll provide you plenty of in the coming year, I've conducted a search from the following Russian Websites plus the 12 or so of my "normal" go to websites. These of course are concerning the Russian UNITS 213 (MT-LBM-6M1A3) 332 (MT-LBM-6M1B2) (now Kurganets 25) (YOU WON'T HAVE TO MOVE THIS NOW.)

First from my vehicle nomenclature initial search...
2008
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...t=38709&page=2
(As you posted.)

And
https://issuu.com/www.azeridefence.c..._defence_23/43
(Article from May 2016)

ZERO RESULTS RUSSIAN SEARCH FOR BOTH UNITS FROM...
http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country.htm
http://roe.ru/eng/
https://sputniknews.com/
http://mil.today/Russia/
https://tass.com/military-defense
https://www.rt.com/news/

MINE, SAME RESULTS...
https://www.janes.com/
https://www.defence24.com/
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense
(Just because I can.)
https://www.ajaishukla.com/
(BROADSWORD remade, improved the site.)
https://www.armyrecognition.com/
(Takes delivery NOT inducts for you wandering eye folks.)
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/
https://weaponsystems.net/
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/
http://www.military-today.com
https://www.milmag.eu/
http://www.dod.mil.za/SitePages/Home.aspx
(OK!, OK!, THIS ONE WAS OVERKILL.)

Now based on what I found from searching EVERY source above, that the other 2 UNITS 800 (MT-LBM-6MA) 801 (MT-LBM-6MB), DON'T EXIST ETHIER.

This being a somewhat "time consuming" exercise was worth IT to me to "DRIVE HOME A POINT" of which I dare say only those out here who at least know my methods, would fully understand if not appreciate.

I will conduct the a "deeper" search of those other 2 UNITS, later, but you'll excuse me if I don't renter my refs again.

Regards,
Pat

luigim · #9 April 11th, 2021, 03:56 PM

Ok, but MTLB 6MB with 30mm autocannon can clearly be seen onto the train.

DRG · #10 April 11th, 2021, 04:29 PM

....What Luigim said.......

and
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/USSR/MT-LB.php

MT-LBM (izdeliye 6M) Russian IFV, 30 mm autocannon

AND.....

That is a tracked carrier with a turret and a long autocannon and 6 road wheels.

An MT-LB has 6 road wheels that look just like those road wheels

as does those things whizzing by on the flatcars.

If you know of another Russian tracked carrier with 6 roadwheels and a big assed turret with a long autocannon near the middle back end I'm interested to hear what it is. A bmp has 6 but not quite like those but MAYBE what were seeing is a new BMP variant. The BTR-82A has a turret sort of similar but it's more forward on the hull and has tires

MAYBE it's all maskirovka , They only have a few protos but move them about on trains to impress people...

but what went by on those flatcars looks a lot like....