APC Development and related topics.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

Do ALL the German Boxers with the RCT30 turret come equipped with the Mell's ( Spike LR ) ATGM or just some vehicles. I have not been able to find the answer to that question

I'm not an expert on German army, but an article in Polish nTW 7/2022 about a modernization of German Army implies, that Boxers with Lance turrets with 30 mm cannon AND MELLS are going to replace Wiesels. There's no guarantee if all got them, but I would stick with such version as for now.

Also Marders were going to be modernized with MELLS.

[DRG]

The Wiesels were recently upgraded to use the Mells so they are not being replaced just yet

https://www.joint-forces.com/feature...rager-wiesel-1


AND I have already upgraded the Marders

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

The Wiesels were recently upgraded to use the Mells so they are not being replaced just yet

It might concern Wiesels of aeromobile units, which weren't supposed to be replaced according to the article.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Concerning the BOXERS they are still going through the contract process or finishing it, they will be built in Australia as they are currently the only operators of them in the field finalizing their OPEVAL and they'll be building them there for Germany.

It'll be a while before Germany sees them but, they will with the extension of the game I estimate will be available by 2027-mid to 2028 mid.

For us when they do get them, it'll be a somewhat "easy" cut and paste from the Australian OOB to the German one.

This from my Australian Army source as I've posted already from concerning, their new ABRAMS M1A2 Export tanks we built for the (Think M1A2P/M1A2T.) game.

EDIT 270713 EST JAN 2025: For those that need it to supplement the "BOXER" discussion above. They are currently having recently gone into IOC status in Australia.
https://www.defence.gov.au/defence-a...ssance-vehicle
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/ma...ssance-vehicle
(With "across the board" BOXER concerning updates for users like the UK along with CHALLENGER 3 both expected FOR SOME TIME IN 2030.)
"LAND 400 Phase 2 is scheduled to achieve final operational capability in 2027, after which the Rheinmetall workforce will be used to support sustainment, progressive development, and upgrades to the Boxer CRV from its local facility."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-...area/102130472

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Hosed this up-I added an UPDATED EDIT on the BOXER situation which allows for other updates of current users and "soon to be one" such as UK IN MY LAST POST.

Sorry-going back to bed-"dam" weather change and sinuses!?!

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

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EDIT 270713 EST JAN 2025]

Regards,
Pat

Pat you are going to have to explain

EDIT 270713

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And a bit more precise regarding the German Boxers I can assume a number of things but funny how that always gets me a post years from now about a correction.
IF you are referring to the Boxer RCT30 coming into German service then that is more helpful to me than just a generic " The boxers"

If you Google

Is the Boxer RCT30 in german service

The answer you will get is yes. They plan to procure 150 Boxer RCT30 but even a handful in service now gets them an entry in the OOB and I have no info that says even though they sent the arty support varient to Ukraine that these are the only ones in that subgroup in existance

[Pibwl]

Malaysia - minor tweaks:

030 PARS MCV
031 PARS APC MG
032 PARS APC AGL - are in fact local AV8 Gempita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FNSS_Pars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DefTech_AV8

(not an APC, but I don't want to start a thread:
116 Starstreak LML - weapon is still less potent Starburst - should be copied from Britsh OOB)

(They use also Iglas, but without an exact variant nor date known, who cares...)

I won't be digging into light vehicles and vehicle-mounted light SAMs, listed in detail in Wikipedia (albeit without entry dates)

[DRG]

ALL Weisels in the game as Unitclass 175 no matter if they are cannon armed or missile armed are airmobile units
The UC123 Weisels are just apcs also airmobile

[DRG]

Does anyone know what the name of this Israeli vehicle is ?



NEVERMIND....... found it

https://armyrecognition.com/news/arm...arrier-for-idf

[DRG]

https://armyrecognition.com/focus-an...ry%20brigades.

Germany plans to procure 150 Boxer RCT30 vehicles to equip its "Medium Forces" grenadier units.

https://armyrecognition.com/focus-an...russian-drones

Germany plans to procure 150 Boxer RCT30 units by 2029 to modernize its Medium Forces grenadier units, as well as 123 Boxer sWaTrgInf Heavy Weapons Carriers.

They exist and may be in Ukraine now or at least soon. It is unlikely every one in existance is going to Ukraine

Has there been a big parade marking their full acceptance ?
No.

Does it mean they are rolling through the backroads of Germany
No

The bottom line is it is likey all that exist are not going to Ukraine for "advanced evaluation" and while I could leave them out until more info is found the chances of me adjusting in service dates in 3 years is just about minus zero so they are going in with a guesstimate date. Because unless they go to Ukraine and a glaring issue is going keep it from being produced further it's going to be part of the German inventory sometime in the next 2-3 years. The vehicle platform and the turret are both proven and tested