APC Development and related topics.

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Please cue the Monty Python intro...And now for something a little different. A little Spring cleaning is in order as the 2013/2014 Campaign is to start soon.

1) First up the CORPS in it's search to replace the EFV Program. Any more it seems the programs are running together. So by way of updating and cleaning up, here's where the CORPS is in the testing and evaluation process. The HAVOC 8x8 based on the coverage it's getting seems to be the front runner for now.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/us_ar...s_picture.html
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_2504.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/augus...o_1708121.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...n_0504133.html
Pic:

TRACK.

2) UPDATE: As submitted in the game, after all the legal issues as reported prior to and when submitted SWEDEN had recieved the first of it's PATRIA AMV's a slight date adjustment might be needed but will verify from the Patch Post and the game later.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_2625.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/march...s_0503133.html
VERIFY DATES.

3) UPDATE: Well the following is another example of everyone reports the "x equipment is being delivered..." Until unreported issues as R&D problems, Customer modifications (Think THAI OPLOT here as just addressed in a second Patch.), Contract issues, Economics, Order Cancellations etc. etc. make the "equipment submission business" such a PITA. I think Don and some others now understand why I work the way I do in trying to follow up on equipment I've "signed" my name to just because of the following. MAYLASIA UNITS 30-32 will need to be renamed and dates moved out to around 6/2015. However there is an upside. A. We know now it's the better protected AV-8 (PARS 8x8 stronger brother.) and have more specific data on it's capabilities and types ordered. B. It was customer modified. C. It will have an ATGW now mounted which was just conjecture when submitted in 2010(?). D. More on the FCS is now known as well. E. BETTER PICTURES!!! Alright that was reaching a bit. Anyway here's the data sheet...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/malay...res_video.html
MODIFY DATES AND WEAPONS/ADD NEW UNITS AS NOW IDENTIFIED.

4. UPDATE: As now in the USA OOB with a couple of issues already noted by Imp (John) and acknowledged by Don, I was going to submit this for the coming Campaign based on some of the info used to get the M1A2 SEP V2 into the game along with posts from the MBT Thread concerning the increased TI/GSR of some tanks in the game. Anyway I was looking to combine the BUSK III package and TI/GSR 50 issue into one BRADLEY submission. PLEASE PLEASE understand that beyond reading Johns thread on the topic I do not know nor have I checked at this time whether the two "new" BRADLEY's in the game have the BUSK Protection package or not.
So here's what I was going to submit for that unit.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bradley/
http://www.army.mil/article/82060/Br..._under_budget/
http://www.baesystems.com/article/BA...3D1aljhv29un_4
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FYI for modifications(?)

5. RUSSIA and that darn BOOMERANG APC again. Prototype for 2013, this is older from last summer. No news of it to this point.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/july_...3_0707122.html
TRACK.

6. POLAND the ANDERS front has been quite for sometime now, however, last August they ordered 200 more 8x8 ROSMAKS.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57
FYI.

7. RUSSIA likes wheels better then tracks a growing tread in the APC world.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57
http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20120716/174633902.html
FYI.

8. USMC and it's MPC Program has selected SINGAPOREs TERREX 8x8 for testing as well, among others. I reported on TERREX in one of my first posts in this thread (Then as a 6x6.) It was developed by TIMOTHY...of Ireland and is one of the most advanced APC out there you probaly never heard about. Anyway...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/novem...m_0711121.html
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rica&Itemid=59
TRACK.

9. UPDATE: I believe we were right on target for the BTR-82A. Don thanks for getting it in early.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...a_2104131.html
FOLLOW UP.

10. UPDATE: That darn EFV still in the news, but again for all the wrong reasons for this dead program. The issue is when the manufacturing equipment will be moved to Ga. to support the FANG Program (Just go with the flow here, the USMC has more "APC" programs going then most countries do!?!)
more jobs for us. Good background on how a fully supported project got out of control. F-35 fans pay attention here.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...v-aav-slep-mpc
FYI.

Alright been a busy week and not helping my cause by staying up any later, so for some have a good night and others have a great day or evening!

Regards,
Pat

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A couple of "tail end charlies" that are an extension of the previous post. For me thank god, are FYI issues. The BRADLEY BUSK III one for Don will be of some use as we have a "full on" picture to use for ICON purposes. Sorry I missed these but it's the "vampire hours" I keep after work normally.

1. BRADLEY BUSK III...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/july_...t_1007126.html
If you missed it in the first refs provided earlier, you'll have noticed the first units equipped with them were in S. Korea. Don unless you see something I missed, it appears USA UNITS 305 & 899 will just need to be renamed, protection upgraded and require a new icon for one or both units and I hear you that's enough work!?!
ASSIGN REMINDER # in PP.

2. More on the USMC "Everything Future APC Amphib Program" or EFAAP. This is team BAE/IVECO with the SUPERRAV 8x8.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/may_2...d_1005131.html
If you haven't noticed, click on the yellow highlighted for links to the data sheets for the equipment and other info.
Gotta go, GOT is coming on! Day off priorities don't you know!?!

Regards,
Pat

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Thanks for the information! It's nice to find a clearinghouse for the news from the defense industry.

I'd like to bring up some issues with the Russian APCs and IFVs in their OBAT, which is obat11. Patch 7.0 did a nice job of trimming out some of the cancelled BTR-90 variants; I'd like to take it a few steps further. First, let's look at the many MT-LB mods. Specifically, OBAT11 numbers 213 (MT-LBM-6M1A3), 332 (MT-LBM-6M1B2), 800 (MT-LBM-6MA), 801 (MT-LBM-6MB), and for that matter 872 (MT-LBM). To the best of my knowledge, these vehicles showed up once at an arms expo, and were promptly never heard from again. I find no reports of any of the MT-LB modifications actually coming into service.

Likewise, there are a number of programs that never seem to have taken off: they are units number 305 (BTR-70M), 787 (BMP-2 Berezhok), 788 (BMP-2M), 850 (BMP-2M (-)), and the heavy APCs 343-345 (all the BTR-Ts). While I believe the BMP-T is on order by the Russian army, I find no indication that the BTR-T is actually being produced. The rest, the BMP and BTR modification programs, appear to exist only in advertisements; the Russians don't look like they've bought off on them.

Pending confirmation, so far as it's possible with Russian military equipment, I think it's fair to delete all of these from the OBAT for Russia and for the RED force (wherever they overlap).

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

1. BRADLEY BUSK III...

If you missed it in the first refs provided earlier, you'll have noticed the first units equipped with them were in S. Korea. Don unless you see something I missed, it appears USA UNITS 305 & 899 will just need to be renamed, protection upgraded and require a new icon for one or both units and I hear you that's enough work!?!Regards,
Pat

??? Pat... why would unit 305 be involved with this at all ?


Don

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........ on the list to investigate


Don

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Unit 898 and 899......

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While getting the pictures for the ADF M1A1 AIM SA, I noticed along with the exercise they were in were a bunch of pictures of the M113AS4 the current M113 variant being used by the ADF. Curious about the AUSCAM(O) for them and remembering that I thought I had submitted it in the "old" format of "Hey here's a piece of equipment not in the game, it'd normally have it's own post and Don would get it in the game (See this Thread Pg. 5 Post #45 dated 5/21/2010 if you want.) that being said it got by us and it wasn't until later that year I started to use the current format and realized I missed it again after I checked the AUS OOB last night. So Ref. 1 shows an article where the last M113A1 chassis variants were used in their final live fire exercise in JUN 2010. I have not been able to identify the type pictured in the article though it says they were the last unit to operate them in the exercise.
http://digital.realviewtechnologies....ge=page0000030

As for M113AS4 it was developed under the Land 106 Program that started in 1992 and would be completed with the final delivery of the M113AS4 by DEC 2012. The first 4 units would be delivered on NOV 15, 2007 and the ADF (7th Batt.) would get 16 by the end of that year being fully operational.
So I'm thinking JAN. 2008 start date for them.
Ref. 2 covers this in detail as the DID site normally would. Ref. 3 was the original one I used from the first para. Highlights of the M113AS4 are...
Firepower: A new Australian designed and built electrical turret, with improvements designed to lessen the battering its occupant takes. It will host a new .50 caliber weapon that sports a quick change barrel and day/night sights.

Protection: Add-on external armor kits to protect against weapons up to 14.5mm; internal spall liners; hull reinforcement to improve mine protection; fuel tanks moved from inside to outside. The change in configuration also allowed the introduction of stealth characteristics into the design by decreasing the overall turret profile, and reducing the vehicle’s radar cross-section and infra-red signature.
It should be noted that a 14.5mm would make Swiss Cheese of normal M113 or at the very least hurt badly. -FBT

Internal: Compartment improvements like heat mitigation measures and better stowage of equipment externally where it isn't so much in the way. New electrical and fuel systems; a land navigation system that combines GPS and INS.
All above from DID.

Types looking to add in AUSCAM are...
Armoured Personnel Carrier (M113-AS4 APC). Most common variant.
Armoured Command Vehicle (M113-AS4 ACV) (?)
Armoured Logistic Vehicle (M113-AS4 ALV) Ordnance Carrier.
Armoured Mortar (M125-AS3 AM)
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...pgrades-05133/
http://www.military-today.com/apc/m113as4.htm

Well my times up, reminder is done and will end with pics:




Regards,
Pat

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Pat..... note that the reports clearly say ( i have added the emphasis.....)

Vehicle's hull provides protection against up to 14.5-mm rounds.

From the way it's worded I would conclude it DOES NOT protect against 14.5mm rounds since it only protects " up to " 14.5mm

Don

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I think this is where I say OOPS! So this should have the protection of a USA M113A3 then as I believe it had spall liners as well. The only added benefit I see then is the values you give towards survivability in mine protection and the fact the fuel storage is now external. Also these are "stretch" M113 versions, if you haven't noticed before this, note the extra road wheel set. Got more ADF pictures to consider for the type as follows...




In the upper left picture note the name the crew gave it-that's pride and balls (baseball, football etc. for clarification.) considering the ADF expects this type to be in the fight.

Thanks again Don, I guess the "up to and to include" would've been better from my perspective!?!

Regards,
Pat

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Thanks Pat. Be aware you have to be very careful with Pmulcahy info. Some of it is solid but some of it is aimed at "Twilight 2000 " " a role-playing game set in the aftermath of World War III "