MP: EA: Vanilla, Newbie game [GOOD AGAIN!]

[John_Madlock]

Yeah, in the last round I made quite a big mistake, and I lost an important battle with Helheim (matter of settings and commands in battle). Hey GE how do you know such a thing? XD
I promise that I will try to repeat everything the same as it was.

Hey, technically I have all the old orders in my email, maybe it solves the problem of rollback?

[Num]

I obviously do not care about a rollback, as I have stale the last two turns...

[Astyreal]

i'll wait for helheim and vanheim to chime in.

[Astyreal]

On second thought I am a bit reluctant to do it because if there were important battles, I don't want to mess with things. Sounds like the rollback stands a good chance of being a big mess.

[GameExtremist]

Well not really, there is no way Helheim can come back from where it is against Vanheim (not the current players fault - he was dealt a rough hand when he subbed in). Put bluntly Vanheim has a huge advantage in almost every way and all it will do is shorten or lengthen the time in which Helheim will be vanquished.

If the unthinkable should happen and Helheim beats Vanheim back...well I have large and experienced armies ready to thank Helheim for their non-assistance in our war with Hinnom.

[Stagger Lee]

I believe we would have to go back two turns to retrieve Lanka as a playable nation. I am only willing to do this if we have unanimous consent. I was at war with Lanka, and would prefer to have continued our war. When he announced that he was going AI, I did something really, really stoopid. I have come to accept it and play on. I know that in time, I will probably (barring future stupidity) have the most to gain from his going AI, so if everyone else wants to do it, I would certainly rather have a real player controlling the demons. But, if we roll back, I will use that turn minus the stupid move. It was really stupid, but was only done because my opponent was going AI.

Astyreal, I wish there was an easy way to get you back into this. Lanka is in a strong enough position to be playable. Can you turn off quickhost until this is decided?

[Astyreal]

You know what, I am going to pass. It's just too complicated, and seems it will introduce as many problems as it solves.

[Stagger Lee]

Everyone's gone kinda quiet on this, so I guess it's no longer a possibility. This is a newbie game, and in that spirit I will try to give a DAR (as they're calling it in tophats) so any who read this will understand my old position (I no longer claim the right to change my turn if we rollback).

Tien Ch'i and Lanka had peace for the early stages of development, and a NAP, which was ended according to proper form around turn 20. We asked the demons to reconsider, but they said they were hungry. We advised them that, after eating us, they would only be hungry again in an hour, but they would not be deterred.

A seemingly endless string of losses followed, and the proud Empire of the East was desperate. The sacred, regenerating demons were large and indeed very hungry. Finally, at the end of our string, two things happened.

1) Our god broke free, reinvigorating our defense of our cap, and

2) Our generals learned something called a communion. Lots of mages working together to cast spells that are far more powerful than than simply casting them in succession would be.

Few demons crawled away from the epic battle at our capital that day. And in the next few months, a series of victories followed, on two fronts. As our main communion army (under the command of our god, Gan Ning) rested and studied on our side of the bridge to Lanka, awaiting the ground troops who would be there in one month to begin the invasion, we received word that the demon leadership was about to commit some odd suicide pact.

Furious that he was being robbed of the victory he believed he had earned, Gan Ning, several immortal heroes (immortal on this side of the bridge), and a bunch of communion mages said f*** this, and charged the demon army on the other side of the bridge. Before his top advisors got home from work to try and change his mind, the turn had hosted.

The leaderless demons are already hungry again.



I honestly don't know where I stand on the issue of rolling back anymore. Lanka should probably have a player, since I'm sure I can rebuild most of my army, call back my god, and so on. But this game which was so fun just a few turns ago, is a mess for me now. I still want to thank Humakty for forcing me to learn communions, and I will continue to play.

Sorry for taking up so much time, it won't happen again.

[Humakty]

@Stagger Lee : Well, the fight was very fun for me too. It happens I scripted tons of stuff before going AI, which probably helped the AI a little. (mostly tons of summons !) Overall you learnt me TC is a very bad target for mid game warring !

@all : I went AI for several reasons, mostly very personnal ones I wont expose here, but also because the pace of PBEM games tends not to fit with what I like (really too slow).

The way people reacted make me think that I should have stalled, which is stupid, because the AI actually plays its turns (and I guess it will use my kitted thug, and my mages already recruited), even if in a non optimal way. Stagger Lee would already be sitting in my cap if I had stalled for two or more turns. Finding a sub can take some time, and I really couldn't play in the meanwhile.

So I'm not going AI because of a bad position (actually I went to war because I was in a bad position !), I have no other games ongoing and probably won't ever partake in another PBEM game. Especially looking at the reactions of some guys around here. (I knew I should have corrupted some of you with gems, just so that you wouldn't come crying).

Actually a guy replacing me would have found an effective demon factory, but not much more due to bad choices in the first 20 turns (my bless was a bit too mild too, I wanted average scales, which is stupid with a sacred troop strategy, as you can't buff troops as you do with thugs), and it would have required an experienced player to turn the tides of the war once more. The only good point being the impressive gem income, but I lacked mages and research to exploit it in the very short delay I had.

I swear I haven't helped anyone in any way, be it with gems/gold/whatever.

[13lackGu4rd]

Originally Posted by Humakty

@all : I went AI for several reasons, mostly very personnal ones I wont expose here, but also because the pace of PBEM games tends not to fit with what I like (really too slow).

personal reasons are fine, turning AI in your position however is NOT!

The way people reacted make me think that I should have stalled, which is stupid, because the AI actually plays its turns (and I guess it will use my kitted thug, and my mages already recruited), even if in a non optimal way. Stagger Lee would already be sitting in my cap if I had stalled for two or more turns. Finding a sub can take some time, and I really couldn't play in the meanwhile.

no, you should have started looking for a sub, not stall! do your turns until you find a sub or ask the host to freeze the game until you find 1 if it's so bad for you to continue, but turning it AI was like the worst thing you could have done, especially now that it won't be reversed!

So I'm not going AI because of a bad position (actually I went to war because I was in a bad position !), I have no other games ongoing and probably won't ever partake in another PBEM game. Especially looking at the reactions of some guys around here. (I knew I should have corrupted some of you with gems, just so that you wouldn't come crying).

no, that's very far from the truth. we're "crying" because you grossly disrupted the game balance, not because you didn't bribe us! please stop making a fool out of yourself...

Actually a guy replacing me would have found an effective demon factory, but not much more due to bad choices in the first 20 turns (my bless was a bit too mild too, I wanted average scales, which is stupid with a sacred troop strategy, as you can't buff troops as you do with thugs), and it would have required an experienced player to turn the tides of the war once more. The only good point being the impressive gem income, but I lacked mages and research to exploit it in the very short delay I had.

are you kidding? not having a huge bless for Lanka is not as bad as you might think, heck having average scales benefits Lanka just like any other nation, so it wasn't a game breaking choice at all! also, this is a newbie game, so obviously we're all expected to make mistakes and learn from them, you on the other hand instantly threw out the towel as soon as you failed capturing TC's capital and saw his counter attack. this is nothing short of cowardice, and instead of learning from your mistake and moving forward you've decided to alienate yourself.

also, even if your position was actually bad, not like it is now, than you should have still started looking for a sub. maybe an intermediate player would have carried on for you and actually do well against us newbies. maybe someone else would have come in and lost horrible(due to your mistakes), but even than at least he gave out a fight to whoever killed him, the AI on the other hand is just awful!

I swear I haven't helped anyone in any way, be it with gems/gold/whatever.

well, we're all newbies so I don't expect you to realize this on your own but you actually did help a few people, A LOT in fact! those people are your neighbors, and especially TC who you were at war with before going AI. now TC will roll over the AI easily and win a war he shouldn't have won, or at least not so easily. your other neighbors(Ermor perhaps) can also take some easy land now that you've turned AI, which gives them an unfair advantage over the rest of the players.

this, by the way, is the reason why I and many others around here are so angry with people just dropping the towel and going AI when they were in a perfectly playable position! but well, you've decided to give up on PBEMs altogether, so you won't really suffer the consequences of this action of yours, which would have been allowing you to play in PBEM games because of your attitude and actions.

but oh well, you've ruined our game already, at least you seem to be wanting to stay out. hopefully your neighbors won't have to large of an advantage from your sudden vanishing so we'll still have a decent game going...