SP, MLRS and SPAA Developments

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

First I'll submit any piece of equipment in either my normal patch submission or using the same general format, as I did above in Post #103 concerning the ARCHER. It's easier and no one should assume anything else I post is anything more then just FYI outside of those afore mentioned formats. This should end any further confusion as to my intentions.

Secondly I don't know what happened with the refs from my last Post #24 again above. All I did was a simple "Cut & Paste" as I've done many, many times in the past without issue concerning the opening up of the refs.

Thirdly I did go back and verified those same refs did/do open up properly in the " "PROBLEMS WITH THE CURRENT RUSSIAN OOB (#11)" Thread Post # . So sorry for any inconvenience there as I try to figure out what happened in my last post.

I'm still evaluating this equipment issue as well, I can tell you in my opinion, that I feel the Arctic based SPAA doesn't need to be in the game just based on the fact they're meant specifically for their Arctic Defense Forces (ADF) as compared to the more main and baseline units already discussed also in that thread. The other unit is the TOR-2U do we need it? Is it that much better than the TOR-2, especially when Russia has the TOR-3 NOW BEING FIELDED?

I've got beyond these units at least 15 more new pieces of Russian equipment that is already, very soon will be and for the rest fielded by 2020. And we'll still have six more years for whatever comes down the pike and I'm already tracking some of that. A handful might already be in the game and will require date changes but, the majority aren't and that's just from my files.

The tipping point might just come within the next two years or sooner at the rate the real world for some of these OOB's are improving current equipment, developing variants of the same (Which is different then improving it.) and just fielded new equipment.

Any option to include the couple I've suggested in the past in regards to air units, or any other solution will require a lot of code and and software changes. Maybe a year or two to do that and nothing else might not be a bad idea in the long run in the near future.

By then for example we'll have a better handle on the T-14, PAK-FA, F-35 and believe me I can go on and on for the top four or five OOB's in this game. Just because I haven't submitted anything in the last two or three years doesn't mean I haven't been compiling the data for said submissions at a later date. I think I've demonstrated that recently here and elsewhere already.

I can count the slots as well, and seeing the rapid pace of advancement and looking and trying to figure out at my end what to do is almost like trying to "fit the square peg in the round hole". But I'm an analytical type person always have been and I guess always will be (I hate those Briggs Meyers and the like tests, (I just really wanted to be an astronaut! ) not ranting just concerned for the future of the game here is all and where we're heading. Clarity of purpose is all I seek, even if it means "mind your own business" I can most certainly remember worse then that being said to me.

Besides for you "code breakers" my usual response is FTITCTAJ! Though I would NEVER feel or respond that way to anyone out here!!

And I'm actually in a good mood, lost over 30 pounds, now below my retirement weight from 2002. Just making it harder for my younger co-workers to keep up with me at work and on the OTC.

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

I now have a new 6x6 wheeled Icon for next release. It's bound to be needed for other nations eventually

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Final conformation for Algeria from the 17th and I didn't even look here like I normally do everyday.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/augu..._81708171.html

Also from DID: Finland not to start it's K9 training until 2019. They don't have the training and BSM systems in place to support them yet.

"Norwegian firm Nammo A/S has come to a landmark agreement external link with the Finnish Defense Forces (FDF) to supply its newly developed artillery shells. Helsinki is the first international customer for Nammo’s 155 mm insensitive munitions, high explosive, extended range ammo (IM-HE-ER)—which has been under development since 2002 and partly funded by the state-owned Norwegian Defense Material Agency (NDMA)—which covers almost twice the distance of Nammo’s previous precision-strike artillery ammunition offerings. The ammo purchase forms part of a long-term project by Finland to reinforce the Army’s artillery capability and fire-power, which has already seen the February purchase of second-hand K9 Thunder 155 mm/52 caliber self-propelled artillery systems from South Korea. Training with the K9s will commence in 2019 following a modernization with Finnish sub-systems that include battle management, global positioning, communications and camouflage bolt-ons." Barring no developmental issues, this would push FOC to late 2019 or first half of 2020.

Regards,
Pat

[redcoat2]

Land Ceptor is making its arms show debut at DSEI 2017:

http://defence-blog.com/army/land-ce...in-london.html

Some basic information about CAMM (Land application) on the MBDA website:

http://www.mbda-systems.com/product/camm/

I do not know when it is due to replace Rapier.

[redcoat2]

The ‘Korkut’ 35mm short range air defence system has taken part in the Turkish Army’s Atış Serbest 2017 military drill (see thumbnail).

The Turkish Army signed a contract for the purchase of the Korkut system in March 2017 and serial production started at that time. The website armyrecognition.com predicted that the first deliveries would be made in 2018:

https://www.armyrecognition.com/turkey_army_artillery_vehicle_weapon_systems_uk/korkut_self-propelled_air_defense_35mm_gun_system_vehicle_tech nical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video_119 03175.html

Wikipedia says the Korkut will replace the aging M42A1 Duster (obat32/unit 105):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FNSS_ACV-30

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

And now for something new...It's probably to be fielded around late-2018/early 2019. It's called the GRKPBV90. The plan will be equip the five CV9040 mechanized battalions of the Swedish Army with eight CV90 twin 120 mm Mjolner mortar systems. Each will have a Bv 206 tracked articulated all terrain ammo carrier.

And the last para should end any continuing "what if's" concerning the STRIX, kind've like the M&M's Christmas time commercial where Santa Claus (You can believe in worse. ) arrives to drop gifts and sees two M&M's sitting in the chair and says "They do exist!!" and passes out. Well they do exist and it seems they can still get them, which of course I've been saying for many years now.

What I didn't realize was the range was further than I thought at 7500m/7.5km/4.7mi. (Rounded off.) I always thought it was something just over 5000m.

Again I like learning new things!
http://www.janes.com/article/75278/d...lopment-emerge

This begs the following two questions but, I think they do...

1. Are the Swiss armed with the STRIX as JANE's reports?

2. Will the GRKPBV90 have a direct fire capability of the ATMOS system.

The next would be a great addition with it ever gets done. The important thing with the following it's still in continuing development and lately with Poland. I like systems like this, which is why once in awhile as a change of pace I'll reach into the Allies section and pull out a platoon of Italian CENTAURO's for fun.
http://fighting-vehicles.com/cv90120-t/

While I'm here about a year ago I posted on the following now a prototype was shown at AUSA 2017 and this is one of the top defense industry shows. Generally if it makes it there, it's coming to a battlefield near you, well sometime down the road anyway...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ausa...ausa_2017.html

If you remember a couple of weeks ago my BRADLEY crew guy "JAKE" told me they experimented with the APACHE 30mm being equipped on a BRADLEY (I commented on that in the Thread.) well, it looks like at least a modified version will be mounted on the above. I'll let him know about that when I go back to work Tue.

And one last thing, I do hold back on articles or drop "hints" of things to come in the hope that I'll start patch submission work again. Health is good and have lost 40lbs in a healthy way. That's what started my issues about the same time Andy and Don were having their vacation. It's been difficult to bounce back with family and my job to find and I REALLY HATE TO USE THIS WORD, the motivation to do Patch work at this time. However due to certain other folks out here PBWIL and REDCOAT2 and Don as usual I've had the most active last few months in a longtime. I've never stopped reading my "papers" so I've stored A LOT OF DATA, many recently posted by others. With that in mind I'll try to do a better job of getting these out when I see someone else post on the same. The more evidence the better chance it has of getting in the game. A team effort is never a wasted effort. With the above in mind and if it's not too much of a bother, if these get used please let me know so I can delete them from my files. Just in my SPA/SPAA file alone I have over 150 articles not including some in a by country general bookmark that were outside of that file before I made it. I think a couple of you might've figured out what a part of my issue is also. One file for each Thread I started in the Forum. And to think I pulled all that together for a handful of years. God I don't know how Andy and Don have done it for so long?

But I'm glad they have.

Anyway I believe the oldest goes back to March this year and I'll hopefully have them in a proper order from as always old on top. Topic recently posted Turkish KORKUT...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/march..._11603173.html
https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/201...l&utm_medium=2
https://www.armyrecognition.com/turk..._11903173.html


Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

I guess the Norweigian took a look at the Finn's K9's........

Now entered

[dmnt]

Originally Posted by DRG

I guess the Norweigian took a look at the Finn's K9's........

Now entered

They actually performed the arctic tests in cooperation and shared their test results with each other.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Well to clean up my files for Finland in this thread...

First gives status of artillery at the time of this article.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/march...artillery.html

The second phase.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/july_..._50507161.html

And here we go again, another retread article I'd already posted in here, you might not like but, I don't make this stuff up. First the quote from JANE's..."This timeline accords with previously released Finnish plans to declare initial operating capability with a new howitzer in 2020 and full operating capability in 2025.". And so it goes...
http://www.janes.com/article/67962/f...om-south-korea
https://czncd.wordpress.com/2017/02/...m-south-korea/
https://forums.spacebattles.com/thre...-korea.515044/
Note: The last ref confirms JANE's source from FDF.

A capability reminder (BONUS not part of the CM Treaty.) if not entered already. I had posted this shortly after it was released in this thread.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...irst-time.html

Regards,
Pat

[dmnt]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Well to clean up my files for Finland in this thread...

First gives status of artillery at the time of this article.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/march...artillery.html

Just be careful with the "official" numbers which are quoted here. I stepped on this mine already once and thought that if it isn't on the official Vienna convention list for Army equipment strength then it doesn't exist.

However, Finland used a loophole where Navy strength isn't included in the listing and coastal forces operate under Navy command. And they operate field guns and other - even mobile - artillery units. And if they're all transferred to the Coastal units then they don't exist on the OSCE listing.

See: (in Finnish) http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2016...29469_uu.shtml
especially the image attached:


First table compares Finnish ("Suomi") announcements to German ("Saksa") ones in 2014 and in 2016. The table rows are titled (in parenthesis the number reported in 2016):
120mm Heavy mortar (698)
122mm FH (471)
122mm SPA (34)
155mm SPA (-)
130mm FG (76)
152mm FG (24)
155mm FG (132)
122mm MRL (72)
270mm MRL (41)
227mm MRL (-)
120mm SP-Mortar (18)

Two graphs below are the tank numbers and then combined artillery numbers (not including < 120mm weaponry)